Full Series Jedi Legal: fair shake, or kangaroo court?

Split-off from a PT-Mace Windu thread, by request. ~Sx3

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How did they follow procedure? They barely even questioned her properly to get the details on the case (as it was obviously linked to the previous terrorist attack on the temple), let alone a motive. Sloppy, very sloppy work.

 

SLJ plays SLJ in every one of his movies. Just like Will Smith plays Will Smith.

 

Personally I thought SLJ as Ray Arnold from Jurassic Park didn't seem like most of the other characters he's played.

It's likely that there are other cases where he isn't typecast.

 

The questioning shown on screen was still a joke. Unlike good cops they were already certain of her guilt, despite lack of motive and an insufficient explanation of the terrorist attack (you know, the one Anakin and Ahsoka were sent to investigate). There were a lot of open questions and the Jedi council ignored them. Even worse, they had Anakin, an associate of Ahsoka, capture her. Gross incompetence that is!

With what little information they had expelling a Jedi from the order seems like a severe mistake, and it is even more damnable because the supposed culprit is a teenager.

 

Why did this turn into a TCW discussion?

 

That claim still doesn't make sense.

 

No, it's not the courts job to collect the evidence. That is job of the police, and the Jedi are sort of a galactic police force (or at least close enough to it). They themselves also told Tarkin that they first wanted to take care of the thing in the order, as Ahsoka was under their jurisdiction.

Why would they first keep her in the temple and then only try to get a confession out of her, instead of properly answering all the open questions? The way they acted they could have just handed her over to Tarkin instantly as they obviously didn't care one bit about her wellbeing. Except for Anakin, nobody even attempted to look deeper into the case.

Therefore, what you say is factually wrong. It is the job of the order to look into cases like this, especially when it concerns their own.

 

Wrong place to discuss this imo.

 

In what universe does this happen when there is a murder case? A cop wouldn't turn a suspect over to court when there is reasonable doubt about the nature of the crime, the motive and whether there were other persons involved or not. Because you know what would happen? The suspect would go free because of "insufficient evidence" or (even worse) is wrongfully put into prison.

Besides, it is not only duty before the law, it is also a moral obligation to properly investigate a crime. If I am convicted for a crime I didn't commit I would sure hope the cops do their job.

Just because you don't like her doesn't mean she doesn't deserve a competent investigation and a fair trial. Only in a banana court like that shown in TCW would she be convicted like that. Whether or not her ass was kissed before this is absolutely irrelevant.

Why would I care what you think about Ahsokas character? I thought we were discussing whether the Jedi order (involving Windu) acted correctly or not. What was shown on screen was them acting incompetently and dangerously negligent.

You also seem to think she should be executed - for a crime she didn't commit.

 

anakinfansince1983 and Darth_Pevra
I can split your 'legal-debate' off, into a new topic and move it to the TV Forum if both of you would like to continue.

 

Yes please.

 

temp lock

reopened

(thread title is a wip)

 

Sheesh!

If I'm ever charged with a crime I didn't commit, I sure hope anakinfansince1983 isn't on the jury.

 

Don't temp me...

 

Now, because you have no more arguments left, you call the debate absurd. Classy move.

Why then keep her in the temple again? They sure as hell didn't achieve anything by that.

We saw the interrogation by the Jedi council and it was a joke. Ahsoka had one minute to defend herself before she was declared guilty and was shipped to Tarkin. Neither did they properly question how she could be responsible for the terrorist attack on the temple, nor if she had any help, nor what her motive to attack the temple could be. Anakin vouched for her character and they ignored him.

 

Why would I want to find common ground? It is nice when it happens but definitely not the only outcome of a good discussion.

I never stated they should shield Ahsoka from the legal process. I said they should have done their frigging job.

No, the duties of the police are complex, but one is "investigating crimes and finding evidence for guilt or innocence". Without the groundwork of the police, without proper evidence, a prosecutor can't bring a case to court. In this case, there was not enough evidence there to convict Ahsoka. As I explained before, the cops (Jedi) didn't even remotely solve the case.

 

Huh? They did refuse to turn her over to Tarkin initially. But then they wasted time instead of properly investigating the crime (what they should have done, as servants of the republic, we're also talking about a terrorist attack here). What would've happened if Ahsoka did get executed because the Jedi failed to fulfil their duty? Not only would an innocent be killed, the real culprit would still be out there to strike again and destroy even more innocent lives. And those lives would be all on their heads and on Tarkins (but he doesn't really care).

 

What's this about?

 

anakinfan claimed the Jedi council followed procedure in "the wrong Jedi" and I disagreed.