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Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea

Discussion in 'Fan Films, Fan Audio & SciFi 3D' started by backdeskproductions, Jan 6, 2008.

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  1. backdeskproductions

    backdeskproductions Jedi Master star 3

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    I say we CG Larson. That is my final answer. Now how bout that million ;)
     
  2. SaintTames

    SaintTames Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I'm not trying to be rude or definite or anything, but a CG Larson would look fake and would accomplish nothing but dumping the load of the Larson issue onto the VFX crew.

    Not to mention how hard it would be for the crews to film Larson scenes. Or, come to think of it, for actors to have to interact not just with one CG character, but with two.

    No, I don't think a CG Larson would be a proper fix for the problems he causes.

    I personally still think it would work if we just had one crew film all the parts with Larson.

    Tames Was Here
     
  3. daveandtom

    daveandtom Jedi Youngling

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    Ambitious.

    At the very least if its a great script use it as your spec writing sample to get work on another project.

    All the best!


     
  4. backdeskproductions

    backdeskproductions Jedi Master star 3

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    rebuttle:

    How fake he looks actually would depend on the VFX crew. Besides if he were CG, I dont want him to be human.... humanoid... not human. Interacting with two CG characters wont be too hard. Of course its challenging. We wouldn't have a sense of accomplishment without a challenge.

    My only argument for a CG Larson is so the story can stay the same and we wont have to make major changes.
    I also agree with the statement "I personally still think it would work if we just had one crew film all the parts with Larson." That's how it should be done. But of course there's the issue of the other talent needed in the scenes AND the locations need to be kept in mind. That's a LOT for one crew.

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  5. SaintTames

    SaintTames Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Yeah, I don't think you misunderstood, but I can see how someone could so quick clarification: the idea that one crew films all Larson parts has already been lain out. What I was saying was that we don't change the script and put all the Larson parts with one crew. Like I said, I don't think anyone misunderstood, but if they did...

    Well, no offense meant towards the VFX crew, but even large expensive effects companies have trouble turning out high quality, all-cg humanoid characters (re: clonetroopers). Also, with him being a nonhuman we go back to the issue that has already been discussed that it's going to be hard for an audience to relate to two main characters that aren't the same species as them, one of which is a frickin' robot.

    I've heard of 501st and Rebel Legion members actually flying out on their own dime to take part in someone's fan film (Siege of Ilum had a Mace Windu flown out, iirc), with no cost to the filmmaker. I'm not saying we should rely on that as an option, but perhaps it's something we should consider.

    I dunno.

    Tames Was Here
     
  6. backdeskproductions

    backdeskproductions Jedi Master star 3

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    I see... I agree. But I called for a test a while ago. Perhaps a test would help us decide on a CG Larson or live action.
     
  7. LLL

    LLL Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Since things seem to be so up in the air on this, the writing staff will be going ahead with the rewrite.

    I just don't see all that CGI working out, and with gas and plane ticket costs what they are, I really can't see an actor flying potentially all over the country on their own dime to film. And if one crew does all the Larson parts, that's a disproportionate amount of work all on one crew. How would they possibly do all those sets? The whole idea behind this was to split work evenly.

    If someone actually does come up with a sure-fire, workable way to do the script we've already written, cool. We'll quit the rewrite and just go ahead to the ending. But I'm not yet convinced.

    "At the very least if its a great script use it as your spec writing sample to get work on another project."

    I thought it only worked that way in TV? :)

    Anyway, Ish is still writing and hopefully might have something to show us this weekend.
     
  8. kuatengineer

    kuatengineer Jedi Master star 2

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    I have to say that I haven't really read through this thread in great detail (it's huge!), but I do peep in from time to time, and I've been glancing through on the 'Larson problem'. I haven't seen the script, etc., so I'm not sure what the story calls for as far as Larson's actual part, but I have been more interested in the theory of filking different parts and bringing them together. So, here's my question: could Larson be an alien, or be a masked/helmeted character, or tattooed, etc? Then different actors could play him as long as they were the same build/height, and voice-over work could be done to make sure there's only one voice. Like I said, I haven't really dug into some of the details here, so that may be a dumb suggestion, but it was a thought as I was glancing over it.
     
  9. DVCPRO-HDeditor

    DVCPRO-HDeditor Jedi Master star 4

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    . . . :oops:

    That's actually a really solid, cheap and reasonable solution! :D
     
  10. backdeskproductions

    backdeskproductions Jedi Master star 3

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  11. LLL

    LLL Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Well, my thought on that is...

    If the actor playing Larson isn't very good, that idea might be a Godsend.

    But if he is, it would be a shame. I know Boba Fett is cool, but all Boba Fett does is...stand around in the armor and look cool. Larson is more of a Han Solo type, and much as Harrison Ford may be embarrassed about the movies now, his acting in them is riveting.

    Not that I really expect we could get a free/amateur actor as good as Ford, but you see my point.
     
  12. storm8105

    storm8105 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Make Larson a changeling, then have him played by completely different people :p.
     
  13. SaintTames

    SaintTames Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Ha! That could be interesting. Like, it really could. Huh.

    Tames Was Here
     
  14. Jedsithor

    Jedsithor Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Personally I'm against using a cgi Larson. I don't think there is any need for it. The only advantage would be that the cockpit scenes could be done as a completely computer generated scene, without the need to build any sets.

    But I think that if you're going to go that far, you might as well do the whole thing as an animated film, either 2d of 3d. We still have no idea if the droid is going to work, so there is no point in speculating about any other characters being cg elements until we know if the droid can be pulled off fairly realistically. Everything hinges on that.

    If the droid work isn't up to scratch, then I think we should abandon the concept of a live action film and start looking at doing an animated film.
     
  15. DVCPRO-HDeditor

    DVCPRO-HDeditor Jedi Master star 4

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    Heh . . . . as for an in-universe explanation, there's the Shi'ido and the Clawdites. Larson could change his appearance (even to appear as a she) and then modify the Flare's transponder code. It would only have to be explained once, with maybe one reminder later in the story, and the rest could remain relatively untouched.

    Just an option, you know. :-B

    EDIT: That is to say, we could keep the script as it is, without having to worry overmuch about the Larson character being on more than one crew's set. Maybe get a CG Clawdite Larson so we could morph from actor #1, to CG, to actor #2. (Being a changeling is all about hiding the fact that you are one, so there's no real reason for a Clawdite Larson to walk around looking like a Clawdite.)
     
  16. drewjmore

    drewjmore Jedi Knight star 4

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    Shape-shifting is an interesting idea, especially if it helps the writers with their current block. The only wrinkle there is avoiding the (otherwise accurate :D ) appearance that were just throwing in a skin-change because we can't get the same actor in front of two (or four) separate cameras...

    IMO a quick morphing scene or two wouldn't be a major pain to put together from a VFX perspective, just need clean plates of both actors and perhaps some reference head-shot photos of them.
     
  17. backdeskproductions

    backdeskproductions Jedi Master star 3

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    I know this would seem like the best thing to do at this point... but it still defeats the purpose of multiple film crews from different parts of the world. Which is the primary goal.

    [face_flag] Goal: Make a low budget feature length Star Wars fan film using multiple film crews from all over the world.


    We will stretch the limits of filmmaking. And we will also network with talented filmmakers. There is a lot of good that can come of this and I think that is what we should focus on.





    there goes another one of my sparkly speeches again. :rolleyes:
     
  18. Jedsithor

    Jedsithor Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Well as I've said on numerous occasions, all the script needs is a slight adjustment and it can be done without the need for making Larson a Changeling or a suited alien or a cg character.
     
  19. LLL

    LLL Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Actually, Ish and I had just about worked our way around the problem.

    But Darth RL keeps getting in the way...
     
  20. Jedsithor

    Jedsithor Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Shoot me a pm with the problem. I'll see if I can help.
     
  21. LLL

    LLL Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    WHAT'S HAPPENING! 9/10/08

    Ish is sick, so she and I will be double-teaming the rewrite, starting, we hope, tomorrow.
     
  22. backdeskproductions

    backdeskproductions Jedi Master star 3

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  23. DarthIshtar

    DarthIshtar Chosen One star 10

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    Thanks. I managed to get to a doctor and found out all the nasty stuff my body was doing to my ear, then went in for a checkup and found out that it was worse and the medicine wasn't working, so now I'm REALLY doped up.
     
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  24. backdeskproductions

    backdeskproductions Jedi Master star 3

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    :D
     
  25. DarthIshtar

    DarthIshtar Chosen One star 10

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    Thanks to some incredible brainstorming help and long-winded speculation sessions with LLL, the new version of Part III is up. Sp1m is now a minor character who I love dearly and Bot is still unnamed. There's intrigue, drug addicts and even a thrilling chase scene! Go read at the main thread!
     
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