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JCC JediWarrior And Connemara Missing In Afghanistan (Update: What a ****show.)

Discussion in 'Community' started by Fire_Ice_Death, Feb 21, 2013.

  1. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    But, her clock was ticking man, come on!

    OK so now I have Alice in Chains stuck in my head.

    This is not a bad thing.
     
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  2. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    It's certainly possible that the subsequent pregnancies were coerced or forced in some manner. It's what I thought was the most likely scenario until they were rescued and the Pilgrim started mouthing off. I'm just going by Boyle's own comments which suggested the main considerations in their/his minds was that a woman in her mid-thirties and older is less biologically able to have a successful pregnancy (as Ender referenced). If that claim is true and he wasn't just being delusional, I feel comfortable judging them for subjecting innocent lives to the consequences of not just one but a cascade of their bad, vain, ridiculously selfish decisions.
     
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  3. SuperWatto

    SuperWatto Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I guess I just don't see why you'd feel the need to make negative character statements about people who have been a hostage for five years.
     
  4. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    I don't think well of anyone who would willingly subject their own children to the hell they were in.
     
  5. Boba Nekhbet

    Boba Nekhbet Jedi Master star 4

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    Have you missed the last five or so pages of this thread? Having been a hostage doesn't absolve JW of his abhorrent behavior.
     
  6. Rylo Ken

    Rylo Ken Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    certainly it might factor into sentencing if he is convicted of any crimes
     
  7. Boba Nekhbet

    Boba Nekhbet Jedi Master star 4

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    I'm not sure Canada credits time served with the Taliban, but who knows how the justice system works up there.
     
  8. Sake

    Sake Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Boyle has also said that having the children was an act of rebellion after the guards dosed a jar of honey with estrogen to abort the second baby. The second boy had never seen the sun and yet he goes ahead and brings a third one into this hell for his own feelings of control? Not to mention the ridiculous danger of having a baby while malnourished and terrorized with zero medical care. It does read like they are all props for his elaborate hero fantasies.
     
  9. Rylo Ken

    Rylo Ken Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I'm thinking more of the psychological evaluation that the court will likely require, the defense attorney would want. You get an expert at sentencing to testify about the kind of trauma he endured as a hostage and the likely effects on his mental health.
     
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  10. tom

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    if we start limiting the people we can make negative character statements about it basically goes against everything the jcc stands for.
     
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  11. Sake

    Sake Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I'm wondering if he's going to claim total innocence. It seems logical to assume he will claim extreme mental duress for a softer or treatment based sentence but if he claimed he had done nothing wrong it wouldn't surprise me.
     
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  12. Rylo Ken

    Rylo Ken Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I was just thinking about post conviction. He'd definitely want to plead not guilty to all charges if he plans on being acquitted, or at least that's how it works in the U.S. In Canada it may just be some kind of trial by combat.
     
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  13. Sake

    Sake Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Ah I mean pleading not guilty because the charges were false, he did nothing VS pleading not guilty by reason of mental health conditions.
     
  14. SuperWatto

    SuperWatto Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I knew you'd say something like this :p
    I stop at Taliban hostages.
     
  15. Boba Nekhbet

    Boba Nekhbet Jedi Master star 4

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    Ok so just to clarify, if Jeffrey Dahmer had been held hostage by the Taliban at one point, you would refrain from any remarks impugning his character
     
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  16. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    They made a stupid decision because they were stupid, Watto. If you go to places where there's hostage taking I'm sorry but you're at fault for being taken.

    Avoid those areas. You're not MSF, you're just stupid MFs at this point.

    I've got precious little sympathy for their having been caught. Empathy for their suffering? Yes. Sympathy for not avoiding a 100%, wholly avoidable situation? I'm sorry but I seem to be out of stock.
     
  17. SuperWatto

    SuperWatto Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yes well done all for denouncing the decision these two people took 5 years ago.
    It still doesn't give you any reason to judge decisions they took in captivity. I'd hazard a guess that any trauma from that easily obscures previous character flaws.
     
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  18. harpua

    harpua Chosen One star 9

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    You forget, though, that he has said that those who don't understand their decision to go to Afghanistan aren't pious, don't understand God, etc. He sees nothing wrong with it. He actually seems pretty pig headed and proud.
     
  19. Sake

    Sake Jedi Youngling star 1

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    If they'd come back and he's said "we were naive and stupid, I regret this deeply" people would have been kind. But he's said he is BETTER than everyone else because he went to a taliban controlled dangerous place with his pregnant wife.
     
  20. Diggy

    Diggy Force Ghost star 7

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    Praise the tom, blessed be his name.
     
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  21. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Force Ghost star 8

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    Yeah, I think Jabba-wocky's abhorrent behavior knows no bounds.
     
  22. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    Well, I mean, he does. The coding has limits, which are boundaries.
     
  23. Rogue1-and-a-half

    Rogue1-and-a-half Manager Emeritus who is writing his masterpiece star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    If they're prepared to get mental help/treatment, people should work with them. Even if it hadn't been the stupidest, most fool-hardy decision in the world to get themselves captured in the first place, people who have been held by the Taliban for several years probably need mental treatment prior to just being allowed to raise their kids as they see fit. And the kids need treatment too. If Boyle refuses mental treatment or tries to prevent his kids from getting it, he needs to be gone and not have any authority over those kids. Again, the stupid self-inflicted nature of these horrible events intensifies this, but it isn't even the main reason it's true. Anybody held by the Taliban, much less children, needs some serious mental evaluation.
     
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  24. yankee8255

    yankee8255 Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    But they weren’t with the Taliban, they were with the Haqqani Network, who are evil religious hypocrites who will all go to hell. Had it been the Taliban, it would have been like 5 years in a luxury spa. Seriously Watto, you need to keep up on their Twitter feed.
     
  25. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 6

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    An article in today's paper says that Trudeau is catching a lot of flak for meeting with Boyle. Here's your chance to bring down a government, JW. :rolleyes: