JCC JediWarrior And Connemara Missing In Afghanistan (Update: What a ****show.)

til the taliban allows conjugal visits

 

jesus christ stop having kids

EDIT: actually im just going to direct this at everyone who posts on this board. no good can come of it

 

I don't imagine they have ample access to contraception.

 

keep it in their pants then?

but i guess people get horny when captivated in afghanistan too. even if they're risking letting another child grow up under those conditions.

 

Just lock this up again.

 

I don't think that is a direction we should be taking this thread in.

 

i don't think that was directed at you, pg. i assumed it was meant at me and the rest.

and yeah, it's not unlikely that she was sexually assaulted. and it's horrible if that's the case. didn't mean to imply that she could have prevented that from happening.

 

I don't know, man... I can see how, in those conditions, clinging to any sense of normalcy would help to cope with life... and ****ing your spouse is pretty normal.

 

yeah, i get that. still can't decide on whether or not it's kind of selfish risking it, for the potential child's sake, if that's what happened here.

but i don't think i'll discuss it any further. i'm okay with anyone expressing disagreement, but for the sake of keeping it respectful i'm gonna stop speculating at this point.

 

The arguments in this thread are pretty much the nadir of the JCC.

 

That's kind of to be expected, though... this is a really, really bizarre circumstance, and I can understand how people wouldn't know wtf to think or say.

 

I assume this was directed at my post, Wocky. I never said that they deserved this. I was referring to a post a few above mine that labeled her as the victim. This goes back to a discussion we had the last time there was news, where Connemara was being given a pass for being responsible for herself, as that's incredibly chauvinistic. That doesn't mean that I don't hope and pray that they and their children return home safely as soon as possible.

*cough*baby harvesting *cough*

 

This situation is so effed up that it would be nearly impossible for any two people to make the "right" choice or the "good" choice. They're in a hell where nearly every choice seems to be worse or more worse. I think it's okay to speculate, that's human nature, but we really have to be careful we don't accidentally or purposefully judge them. Their situation calls for that kind of absolute restraint. Also, we don't have nearly all the facts.

 

holy ****

point conceded (or "given", i guess). ill just ban myself now...

 

I don't think any of us know what they are going through or the circumstances they are in or what their current mindset is. Who knows why they did what they did. Who cares, even.

 

I protest this statement! You see, "nimrod" means hunter or is of course the name of the hunter in the Bible and because of Bugs Bunny we thought this meant "moron" or "dummy". Bugs was in fact referring to the caveman as the hunter that he was as said hunter was hunting Bugs.

 

what

 

We are all held captive by the JC. So it's a fair equivalence.

 

It's crass no matter how you parse it, no need to stoop to their level.



Four years now. We could get an AWOL solider out, we gave Iran money, and yet nobody can be bothered to help our friend and her family.

 

What are they going to do, Kyle?

Let me be blunt, because I have no emotional skin in this game - what are they worth to the respective governments?

Forget the human cost of her being someone you were fond of/friends with - these are not high value individuals. They are not PEPs. They are not in possession of any NatSec material. They're basically idiot tourists, who the Taliban have set a virtual price on. And nobody is willing to pay that price, mostly because the demands are probably unreasonable.

They're actually more value as hostages right now.

 

It was not so much crass as pointing out the crassness of others. Really, though, I have no problems with the exchange. His remark, like the responses to it, were marked by people trying to be empathetic and sensitive to the situation. That's more than we can say for huge swaths of this thread.

Nor is the bitterness in the second half of your post really appropriate. It is very sad that they have not been freed. But it's hardly fair to pretend like it's some sort of special or deliberate abandonment, or that the others in captivity (Bergdahl, Rezian, etc) somehow didn't deserve liberation, or that the circumstances of their release has as much to do with the circumstances of their detainment as with people not "bothering" to help.