Amph JJ Abrams' Star Trek Into Darkness

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  1. AaylaSecurOWNED Force Ghost

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    Right, to a point - meaning for the last year. I don't think he/they ever intended to keep the villain's identity a secret up until the moment we walked into the theater. They would only have done that if the villain had been Khan, because Khan's the only villain that can live up to the hype of Khan which has been circulating for months and would only get stronger from this point out. And it's not Khan.
  2. Adam of Nuchtern Force Ghost

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  3. timmoishere Force Ghost

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    I don't think even JJ would be that cruel.
  4. DantheJedi Force Ghost

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  5. Darth Guy Chosen One

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    Soran.

    TIME IS THE FIRE IN WHICH WE BURN
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  6. Juliet316 Streak for Colors Bonanza Winner

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    You know learning who the blonde is gets especially annoying given her history when you contrast the new!versionof this character screaming her head off in the trailer with Uhura just doing a BAMF walk through whatever ruins that is (whether it's Earth or another planet) in the trailer.

    I suppose if Abrams wants to give the TOS fans some form of Vengeance by having New!Kirk kill this younger AU Soran as penance for Berman killing Original!Kirkl
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  7. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    Or, by not confirming it's Khan and keeping the speculation muddled, they can avoid (or, at least, minimize) a year of "Oh, they're redoing Khan already- how original!" whining and keep people focused on either the rest of the film or the mystery of the villain.

    The Borg haven't attacked the El-Aurians yet, so it's unlikely we'd see Soran for awhile (especially since his motivation as a villain is a result of his exposure to the Nexus, which, again, they wouldn't encounter until it passes by around the time of the El-Aurian refugees arrival).

    Now, granted, we've seen that Guinan visited Earth long before the Borg attack, so Soran doing the same isn't entirely out of the question- but, again, with no Nexus, Soran wouldn't be a villain; and, even if he was given new villainous motivation, it wouldn't be the Nexus, so he'd be an entirely different type of villain).

    So, again, unless the Nero miniseries events with the Narada and V'Ger somehow triggered earlier Borg incursions, I don't see that changing.
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  8. Jedi Merkurian Episode VII Thread-Reaper

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    Y'know who I'd LOVE to see but probably won't? T'Pring. Even in TOS she was ridiculously hot; can you imagine her glammed up Nu-Trek style?
  9. AaylaSecurOWNED Force Ghost

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    Do you honestly believe there's a chance its Khan knowing everything we know so far?
  10. soitscometothis Force Ghost

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    It's not Khan, he's clearly
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    the real Fifth Beatle, banished to outer-space by Yoko Ono, and now returning to demand his royalties and to be retconned into the Yellow Submarine film.
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  11. Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus

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    The Oblivion trailer is so much better than the new ST trailer. I don't know who's made the better movie, but I like the look of the effects in the Cruise movie. So clean. I can't believe what they can do with textures and light rendering these days. I think Abrams' effects style, basically like watching space through some dirty porthole, is going to get tiresome quickly.
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  13. Likewater Force Ghost

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    WHAT HAS SCIENCE DONE!


    I guess that for movies you need specticle, but the underwater secne is silly, Why even have tansporter is your Bestly ship can land on a planet?
  14. Lord Vivec Chosen One

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    > where characters misuse words like 'parsecs'

    Parsecs was not misused in Star Wars.
  15. AaylaSecurOWNED Force Ghost

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    that explanation was the height of retcon and you know it
  16. Darth Guy Chosen One

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    It was. Han was supposed to have been making up bull**** to impress what he thought were a couple of hicks. The EU just made up a convoluted way for him to be telling the truth.
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  17. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    Now you're talking!
  18. Lord Vivec Chosen One

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    They fixed it. That is what matters. Singling out a fixed problem is just petty.
  19. VadersLaMent Chosen One

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    Deflector shields. Since the ships of Trek can put off bursts from weapons measured in terms of nuclear weapon power levels I have no problem with it being able to not only enter an atmosphere but sittting under the ocean surface. Also, hull preassure? What might be more durable, our own nuclear sub hulls or the hull of a spacecraft created hundreds of years from now in a scifi universe?
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  20. Lord Vivec Chosen One

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    VLM i am guessing you didn't read the part where he said they shouldn't have to dip into technobabble so early into the reboot.
  21. VadersLaMent Chosen One

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    Star Trek without technobabble is not Star Trek.
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  22. Darth Guy Chosen One

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    A certain amount of technobabble is necessary because it's impossible to describe impossible technologies without... babbling. Some of it was self-aware and tongue-in-cheek, like "Heisenberg compensators" for the transporters. They already had some in the first film from Scotty and Chekov, IIRC. The problem with some TNG and especially Voyager is that the writers took it too far.

    I take issue with the author's assertion that Star Trek is fundamentally scientific. That's ****ing ridiculous. I mean, the Enterprise submerging itself underwater is also stupid, but more for "Why would a giant-ass starship be capable of that?" than "IT'S AGAINST THE LAWS OF PHYSICS THAT THE FRANCHISE IGNORES AS PART OF ITS BASIC PREMISE."
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  23. Lord Vivec Chosen One

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    To be fair to the author, there are certain physics that should be upheld even in scifi.
  24. DarthLowBudget Force Ghost

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    I think the point is, when Star Trek does some stretching of the science, it has usually been in the service of the story, and not because "wouldn't it be cool if the Enterprise went underwater?". And @VadersLaMent did you read the part of the article where the author talks about the vastly different engineering tasks of keeping pressure out vs. keeping pressure in? Regardless of the super materials involved, if it would take six atmospheres of pressure to conceal the Enterprise, that's already at least 600% more than it was originally rated for.
  25. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    Maybe the Enterprise tries to come out of the water like the trailer suggests but Scotty is like "haha guys I forgot to mention that this is impossible we're all gonna die" and then the Enterprise falls back into the water and everyone suffocates and dies and Kirk wakes up because it turns out it was all a horrible dream and he has actually been in the Nexus this whole time :eek:
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