Amph JJ Abrams' Star Trek Into Darkness

Discussion in 'Community' started by Ulkesh2, Sep 8, 2010.

  1. Coruscant Force Ghost

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    Not just no loyalty... but actively repulsed! So the question is, will the marketing be strong enough to hide what is for most of the global audience the stench of being a Star Trek movie.
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  2. Mortimer Snerd Force Ghost

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    Because Benedict Cumberbatch.
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  3. Coruscant Force Ghost

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    I watched the first episode of that Sherlock Holmes series that guy is in. The writing was great, Freeman was great, the surprises were mostly good (except for the cab driver, I saw that coming a mile away), but I'm sorry, I couldn't get over how weird Cumberbatch looks. He looks marginally better in the ST trailers.
  4. Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus

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    Unlikely. The smart thing would be to reduce the budget and try to make Trek films for under $100 million a piece. Personally, I'd pay to see an innovative Trek movie made on a District 9 budget.
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  5. Coruscant Force Ghost

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    What an excellent idea. You should be a Hollywood producer.

    (99.9% of the time if I used those two sentences like that, it'd be sarcastic)
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  6. dp4m Chosen One

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    If you mean in overall dollar value:

    Budget: $150 million
    Box office: $385,494,555

    You are wrong.

    However, it made far less in terms of budget-to-BO ratio than any of the previous Star Trek films, I believe. TWOK and TVH were like 8:1 or something.
  7. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    I too am nervous upon how this one will do at the B.O.
  8. Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus

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    No. If a movie can't make three times its budget, then it is at best a marginal success. The studios split 50/50 with theaters more or less, but on top of that they have to recoup international marketing costs, so the rule of thumb is 3 x budget for profitability, maybe more for a movie like Trek that clearly spent a lot on advertising. $450 million worldwide would have been a clear success. As it is, probably broke even on DVD/Blu-Ray and ancillary revenues.
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  9. Coruscant Force Ghost

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    Is there a place you can look up DVD, Blue-Ray, download, etc... sales?

    Ah, box office discussions. I remember them fondly. I quit at them for a while after I got into a several-page argument defending the capability of King Kong to make 500 million domestic even after it had already had a massively disappointing first weekend.
  10. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    Interesting trailer- it confirms that the ship crashing is, in fact, the Enterprise and not just another starship of the same class.

    I'm struck by Cumberbatch the most in this trailer though- one thing you didn't see in the previous trailers, for the most part, is how he doesn't really express any motion above the mouth (most noticeable with the "cold corpse" line). He just has that cold locked expression for his eyes and upper face and just lets his mouth and lower face move- it gives him a very inhuman quality that I don' think I've ever seen before.

    Is this something typical of his acting on Sherlock, etc? Or something he's doing specifically for this film?
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  11. AAAAAH Jedi Grand Master

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    i think i hate movies.
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  12. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    What about Robocop?:(
  13. Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus

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  14. AAAAAH Jedi Grand Master

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    i like robocop. i guess what i mean is i hate what movies are now.
  15. Adam of Nuchtern Force Ghost

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    These are the voyages of the rebooted Star Trek Franchise. It's ongoing mission...to stay out of space. To not so boldly explore concepts that previous entries have already covered.
  16. Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus

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    So, Trek did $89 million in DVD sales, the 6th best title of 2009. Don't know what it did on Blu-Ray, but that certainly helps explain the sequel. The home market for Trek was very solid.
  17. AAAAAH Jedi Grand Master

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    people were dazzled by all the lens flares. hypnotized, if you will.
  18. soitscometothis Force Ghost

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    According to Dark Horizons "90% of the trailer contains scenes from just the first half-hour of the movie, meaning a LOT of major elements about the movie have yet to come to light."
  19. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    So they're doing The Dark Knight approach?
  20. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    Seemingly so. TDK, Skyfall and STID certainly look to be a proper triple feature in the future.

    I don't think you can look at the Trek franchise as coldly as other big budget franchise-hopeful features. There was no way Paramount would not make another Star Trek movie (assuming the film wasn't a complete disaster)- the franchise would go on, just potentially with a smaller budget pending the reboot's performance.

    The video sales were a plus, but a sequel was inevitable based on just the theatrical performance (before the final totals were even in), in other words.

    This isn't Tron, where the film broke even theatrically (domestically, a little over doubled worldwide, about the same range Trek is in, really) but has a franchise going forward due to strong video and toy sales (primarily, at least- there were obviously other franchise establishing factors to offset total profitability concerns for Legacy, but video sales were still a big one). This is Star Trek- the worst case scenario would still result in a new TV series at the very least.
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  21. Juliet316 Chosen One

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    A bit yeah. Only with fluffier hair.
  22. dp4m Chosen One

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    For comparison for @Jabbadabbado

    TWOK: Cost 11, Made 97
    TVH: Cost 21, Made 133
  23. darthcaedus1138 Force Ghost

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    Somebody online is posting spoilers from the movie, thought I'd share 'em with you guys if anyone is interested.

    I don't trust them, but it all sounds very very likely.

    Please don't open unless STiD spoilers are what you want (open)
    Benedict Cumberbatch isn't Khan. He's just John Harrison, a rogue Section 31 agent.

    Harrison was genetically advanced by Starfleet, and wants revenge on them.

    He gets caught by Starfleet on purpose.

    Approximately 75% of the movie takes place on Earth.

    End of the movie has TOS Enterprise being constructed (supposedly after having been destroyed).

    Nibiru is the planet in the prologue.

    Kirk is beat up a lot.

    Harrison has superstrength, superagility (he says superjumps), enhanced intelligence, healing ability.

    Lots of redshirts die, Peter Weller's character dies.

    Harrison bites it via teleportation, that's all the informant would let out.

    EDIT: Added info:

    Pike is critically injured, but pulls through.

    Harrison was left for dead by Starfleet, and now wants to destroy every aspect of them he can find. He manipulates people to get them to do what he wants, but mostly works alone. (my input: this is corroborated by what we saw in the prologue, where Mickey from Doctor Who is approached by Harrison and heals his daughter, or something like that).

    Keenser is back, and is supposedly pivotal.

    Harrison attempts to start a war between Starfleet and the Klingons on Qo'Nos.

    The crew tries to get to Robert April's old ship to get secrets about Section 31. This is that space jump scene from the trailer.

    The score is really good apparently.


    I'll update this post as I get more info.

    Source:
    Sauce (open)
    4chan
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  24. darthcaedus1138 Force Ghost

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    New post since my edit time has run out.

    More Spoilers for STiD. Beware (open)
    There's a mention of repopulating 'New Vulcan'.

    Harrison likes to dissect the Enterprise crew. He can identify their weaknesses and is able to create tension between Kirk and Spock.

    Harrison has 'some great quotes, a badass plan, and a very awesome death'.

    There's quite a bit of Kirk/Spock. The whole Prime Directive things, the risks they both take for eachother, it's pretty nice.


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  25. Darth Guy Chosen One

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    Nothing about that synopsis sounds implausible. Or particularly exciting.
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