Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode VII - Spoilers Allowed' started by Kuestmaster, Jan 24, 2013.
If Abrams is smart, he'll lean heavy on Lucas. He's the gentle heart and soul of the Star Wars Saga.
Sorry, that should read "doesn't equate to influencing".
Pah! Don't get me started on him! Rose-colored glasses on steroids.
Lucas had not been an innovator for a while.. He is competent director and i am pretty sure he lost his mojo as a storyteller judging by the prequels. Who knows what J.J. really thinks, but he certailnly won't diss George publicly. I think it was Ian McDiarmid who had shown open contempt toward the prequels on the set. Am i wrong?
Well I would like to know exactly Ian McDiarmid's dislike. He seems to have always been positive. I remember in the SW Insider him talking about the ingenuity of the "courtly" nature of the love affair between Anakin and Padme in AOTC.
Also to quote one of the JC members signature
I have a great admiration for George. These films are very well-intentioned. All right, they make tremendous amounts of money and appeal to kids, but they say good things, and they say them in a broad way. I believe in the Star Wars films.
- Ian McDiarmid
I don't recall him ever being negative about prequels, much less showing "open contempt."
From all I've seen, he's been one of the most positive of all the cast about the PT.
I think his post autocorrected from "openly enthusiastic". McDiarmid knows from good movies and therefore loves the Prequels.
Watch or read any interview with him for his open admiration of George Lucas.
It's amazing how the prequel haters love to drive their hate so damn far that they have to climb to mountain tops to scream that they hate the prequels.
I think the success in the box office has beyond proven that they are not nearly as hated as the haters wish to believe. I love them in fact, and I am one who grew up with the OT. Were they all up to the same level as the OT? No... but RotS sure as hell was! They are all very good though.
I think saying that digital Imax is a con and unwatchable is ridiculous since the quality of it better than a regular theatrical digital screen. high resoultion, big screen = better experience. Also if you're one of those people who think 3D glasses dimming the image is therefore automatically awful then you literally shouldn't just watch the format. But just because Doug Trumbull and random Internet people don't like it doesn't mean that people can't actually enjoy the format. And even if it's 3D Digital IMAX, IMAX 3D still looks cleaner and brighter than regular digital projection. It's not as if 3D automatically instantly negates everything that makes IMAX such a nifty format. It still has a epic, clean look, esp. if you watch something like Star Trek Into Darkness where it flips between formats mid-movie.
Digital IMAX is not a giant IMAX film projection. Yes, that is true. But it's really great regardless, if not as good as that format but pretty freakin' close. Calling it LieMax just sounds petulant. And I'm never one of those people who automatically believe that film projection is better than digital. Just because Chris Nolan likes it doesn't mean I have to agree with him.
Re-titled thread...'J.J. Abrams still to direct Episode VII'
The only moment of displeasure McDiarmid had during the PT was being asked to fight. He wasn't at all comfortable with it, and I think, because it was originally meant to be done entirely with stunt doubles (the decision to change this only came the night before it was actually filmed) he got a bit upset at having such little time to prepare. Other than that, he's a big admirer of the PT and George in particular, as others have noted. He's never had a negative word to say about either.
Personally, I find the storytelling in the PT much richer, more layered and satisfying than the OT. And he was still pushing the boundaries of what was deemed possible throughout the PT. Say what you want about his films, people around the industry still have a massive respect for what he has done to help other filmmakers achieve their visions. It wasn't all that long ago (during the PT) that Martin Scorsese declared "anyone who wants to know what the future is for movies goes to visit George at the ranch". He was still at the forefront even then. Has anyone as informed as Scorsese ever spoken about Abrams in such a way?
Also, there was never "Pressure from the Studio" on ANH. They had absolutely no say on the project after they signed off on initial budget as GL held all the controlling rights. When he went WELL over budget, he took the overage from his own pocket, which totaled WELL more than double what the initial budget was for in the first place. ANH was basically an Independent film with a Studio distribution contract... that is all. It was NOT a Studio film.
He certainly got a lot more leeway from the studio than most - mainly due to Alan Ladd Jr's faith in him. But Ladd was certainly under pressure within the studio and there were definite rumblings about the production being shut down at certain points (the documentary on the first OT DVD releases goes into it). Lucas also ended up in hospital suffering from stress and exhaustion. He clearly felt the pressure, though how much that was directly down to the studio, I'm not sure. It seems like Ladd gave him ridiculous amounts of support, despite not really knowing what was going on or having much faith in the project itself. He simply believed in "the genius who made American Graffiti".
The original budget was over $8m. Where did Lucas get $16m from? Are you sure you aren't getting confused with ESB?
I never said it was unwatchable . yes it's better than regular digital screen , so what ? if people enjoy 3D good for them , but people like Trumbull and Nolan know what they're talking about , and it is another in a long line of cinematic cons that we're getting better picture resolution , we're not , same with LIemax - it's not Imax , but they charge people more and call it Imax anyway .
and one of the reasons STID looks so good is that it was shot on film , 35mm and 70mm Imax .
So love has blinded you ;-)
Mr. McDiarmid has said on numerous occasions that it was a joy to work with Lucas
You're thinking of Terrence Stamp (Chancellor Valorum).
Hugo Weaving seems like an okay guy and what he says perfectly illustrates the "filmmaking" process Bay engages in.
His teenage overreaction to what Weaving said further cements my dislike of that "director."
As much disdain as I have for Bay, I side with him in the above article.
Actually, me too. I can't stand his movies, and most of the time when he opens his mouth to the media I feel like punching him. But that statement is absolutely correct.
I just dislike it, i don't hate it. If TPM would had been the very first Star Wars movie there would be no Star Wars. Transformers was successfull at the box office and it was a mess. ROTS was good but the other 2 were mediocre at best.
I know that use of quasi-existentialism only seems to apply to "what if" scenarios regarding the PT (for some reason)... but, if Episode IV somehow could manage to exist in our implausible "what if" world for a moment... if the 1977 Star Wars came out in 1999, there would also have been no sequels...
I disagree. I think it might have been received much more fondly. In my opinion, it was the pre-existing fanbase and misconstrued expectations that led to much of the widespread disdain. Nevertheless, it's a redudant point because had TPM been the first SW movie it would have been a quite different animal. Not saying it needs to be in order to work as an opening chapter, but it's impossible to deny certain elements would be substantially at odds with how it ended up.
Erm, if digital IMAX is better than regular digital screens with more resolution, that makes it a better alternative. In real basic terms, IMAX does not simply mean that it's a projected IMAX from a film projector, if a film is shot on IMAX, then you see a digital IMAX, you get the bigger image and higher resolution than a regular theatre which shows what the IMAX cameras captured. That, by definition, makes it IMAX. Just not as big as the OG IMAX screens. Also saying that 3D destroys everything that beneficial about the IMAX format is a flat-out lie. When it switches to IMAX, you can see the higher quality, yes even if it's in 3D. It doesn't automatically mean that the 3D glasses instantly blind you from seeing the IMAX shot portions.
Star Wars is the creation of Lucas and many collaborators, but essentially is his story and Abrams will not be able to change any substantial plotlines, unless he comes up with a good suggestion that GL loves