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ST JJ Abrams to direct Episode VII

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by Kuestmaster, Jan 24, 2013.

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  1. ThreeDeathstickProblem

    ThreeDeathstickProblem Force Ghost star 5

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    Not sure if you're really serious or parodying the panicky comments here, but you're wrong. Abrams was talking about building sets and props and said doing so gave the sun or stage light "something to bounce off of." Abrams didn't say they used "real sunlight" as if the prequels didn't. People are once again reading their internal fears into a comment and twisting it in the process.
     
  2. Darth PJ

    Darth PJ Force Ghost star 6

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  3. Frank_TJ_Mackey

    Frank_TJ_Mackey Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    With the cynical comments that can be found here on a daily basis....it's always hard to tell.
     
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  4. Darth PJ

    Darth PJ Force Ghost star 6

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    Oh I'm cynical alright... but cynicism shouldn't be taken too seriously... ;)
     
  5. MotherNature's SilverSeed

    MotherNature's SilverSeed Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yeah, I think that's one of the major reasons why water and liquids are relatively realistic and believable when represented with CGI--while our limited knowledge of light waves and photons (I know--same thing) and surface and subsurface scatter and phong interpolation are very helpful when trying to represent reflection and refraction and surface effects, there's no real practical mathematical formula for representing the way light interacts with the (relativistic) world *and* the human eye's observation of it--whereas we have extremely accurate mathematical formulas derived from the laws of fluid dynamics and Newtonian physics in general.
     
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  6. L110

    L110 Jedi Master star 4

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    He didn't have to say it. Anybody who follows the marketing campaign knows very well what he meant. And I'm right.
     
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  7. LUH-3417

    LUH-3417 Jedi Master star 4

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    and maybe instead of just PT lovers taking it so hard because its all part of the same saga in the end, maybe all directors, studios, yes men, and shmuck boards of consultants involved with movies should take heed and stop taking out practical fx and replacing them with goofy animation (unless its done creatively and when truly needed)
     
  8. PymParticles

    PymParticles Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Well, you see... that's where you're wrong.
     
  9. Durge_

    Durge_ Jedi Master star 1

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    That was so funny! Thanks for sharing
     
  10. L110

    L110 Jedi Master star 4

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    Well, you see...that's exactly where I'm the most right.
     
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  11. L110

    L110 Jedi Master star 4

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    Just like Lucas did.
     
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  12. Ganger

    Ganger Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    you're funny
     
  13. L110

    L110 Jedi Master star 4

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    [quote="Ganger, post: 52655646, member: 237234"
    you're funny[/quote]
    I'm right and funy all right.
     
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  14. Qui-Riv-Brid

    Qui-Riv-Brid Force Ghost star 5

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    The real key point that is missed to is this is exactly what the prequels did as well but even when you fill a studio full of sound stages with real sets that still wasn't enough for Lucas' movies so you needed blue and green screens to extend those sets out to create a lived in 360 degree universe that you could total creative freedom to get the shots you want.

    If you shoot on sets and sets only then the world runs out or is confined to the size of the sets that you can build in the studio and only so many can be that large. That's why in ROTS The Invisible Hand can have a massive hanger that was used in any which way they wanted to shoot it while the hangar for the Death Star was impossibly small for a ship of that size and the angle they could shoot were so limited on set.

    That is just one small example of course but whether it's the Yavin or Cloud City or the interior of the Star Destroyers or anywhere else there is only so much that "practical" sets can give you.

    Each movie had dozens of sets. ROTS had some 72 full size practical sets. Which as Rick McCallum said was less than a third of the sets that they needed for the movie to get to the vision that Lucas had. The number of sets and the size needed in the movie were far beyond what is able to be done in reality. No one is going to build grand halls or massive departure docks or huge spaceships interiors on "real sets".

    If some relative handful of fans have some problems with actors performances then that is their problem.
     
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  15. ThreeDeathstickProblem

    ThreeDeathstickProblem Force Ghost star 5

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    Saying you're right doesn't make you right. You're claiming Abrams said something about "real sunlight and stage lights." Here's what he actually said:

    To wit, he's explaining how constructing sets - sets made of "wood and paint and foam" - gave the actors, and the sunlight or stage light something physical to interact with, to "bounce off of." His point isn't about "real sunlight." It is about constructing physical rather than digital sets, and how that impacts the actor's performance and the way the image is captured on camera. This is a question of reading comprehension and understanding the point of his words.
     
  16. thejeditraitor

    thejeditraitor Chosen One star 6

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    lol.
     
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  17. Artoo-Dion

    Artoo-Dion Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Reading comprehension is secondary when you're looking for offense.

    Here's the thing: some of the hardcore PT fans seem to feel that any statement by JJ that suggests that the PT weren't the Platonic ideal of filmmaking is sacrilegious. But technology changes, techniques change and different filmmakers have different preferences. Just as the PT was made in a different way to the OT, so too will the ST be made in a different way to the PT.

    It doesn't mean the PT were bad films per se, but it does mean that there's always room for improvement, especially when it comes to special effects.
     
  18. Blake Starstrider

    Blake Starstrider Jedi Master star 2

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    Quid-Riv-Bird is the Beetlejuice of these forums. Mention the PT three times on a page and he will magically appear.
     
  19. Howard Hand

    Howard Hand Jedi Master star 4

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    I laughed, then I realized that I'm the exact same way about John Williams. Nobody who posts about Williams is safe.
     
  20. L110

    L110 Jedi Master star 4

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    Which is EXACTLY what George Lucas DID, whenever possible. Which is EXACTLY what EVERYBODY DOES. No matter whether intentionaly or unintentionaly this constant talking about practical effects, gushing over
    4-6 and total ignoring of 1-3 does feed up the prejudice and misinformation towards making of 1-3, there is NO doubt about that.
     
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  21. yassir.khan

    yassir.khan Jedi Master star 4

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    Lucas was and is a pioneer. Without him I wouldn't have this franchise that is more than a franchise to me. I admire him, I respect him and I am eternally thankful to him.

    That said, he isn't God. Or Yoda. And even then neither God or Yoda are infallible.




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  22. Darth PJ

    Darth PJ Force Ghost star 6

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    The visual effects will, hopefully, be an improvement on the PT as the PT was on the OT. Nowt wrong with progression of visual effects techniques.
     
  23. L110

    L110 Jedi Master star 4

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    Neither is JJ Abrams.
     
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  24. yassir.khan

    yassir.khan Jedi Master star 4

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    Nobody ever says he is.


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  25. Darth Palpadious

    Darth Palpadious Jedi Master star 3

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    Jeez, can't we love both of them? George created and maintained this franchise and JJ has resurrected it. Both are people I will be eternally grateful to, and if I ever meet either one of them the first thing I would say is "thank you". They are both worthy of praise.
     
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