ST John Boyega (Finn) in Episode VII

sorry but do you see how silly that sounds

 

Poe (Dameron's) Law.

 

All day? Jeez, find something else to do with your time. It's not like it's a job or someth oh hang on

 

Yeah I think 'convinced' is entirely the wrong word there. I mean, I'll be 'convinced' about a characters details when official info is released. Or failing that, when I sit down and actually watch the film. For example, I'm entirely 'convinced' there are characters named Finn, Rey, Kylo Ren and Poe Dameron. However, I am not going to base preconceived notions on these characters on baseless rumours. And also I might add, 'leaked' concept art that may or not end up have been used anyway. And yes, the trailer cemented the fact that some were true I know, but it was nothing at all relating to the actual nature of the characters. I mean, I'm still not convinced Rey is a Skywalker/Solo. Just as I'm not convinced Finn is a Force sensitive and Adam Driver is Kylo Ren. But that's not to say I'm dismissive of these ideas. Not in the slightest. I'm keeping an entirely open mind.

 

im pretty convinced that Driver is Ren, and Daisy is going to be a jedi, but that's it.

 

Disregarding official info itself. The fact Daisy was seen at the Skellig shoot with Mark heavily leans in favour toward the idea that she's involved with the Force in some way. But who knows?..

 

By all means, keep an open mind. And it's right to be skeptical of some of the leaks/leakers (4chan's Spoilerman/dude/bro come to mind). But if your response to every leak (no matter how well substantiated) is that we can only trust official information that comes from JJ and company, maybe you're better off in the No Spoilers Allowed section. The only things you trust (teasers, trailers, posters, and official announcements) are all fair game over there.

 

Trying to get rid of me? Lol. I enjoy the speculation. Just concerns me when some begin to take rumour as fact. Didn't realise that was a crime

 

Yeah... "trust" is a pretty strong word. Trusting the official sources makes a lot more sense than trusting leaks, sources of rumors, etc.

 

There's got to be middle ground between trusting only official sources and trusting every rumor monger, right? Surely outfits like MakingStarWars have earned some trust/respect given the things we've heard that were confirmed in the teaser. I'm just saying that Jcuk 's position that every leak and spoiler we've seen is part of an elaborate disinformation campaign is pretty unpersuasive.

 

True, but given JJs reputation, one has no idea what to believe...

 

Not really sterling3763 when you take into account every 'leak' has been centred around certain characters, and yet there is literally nothing pertaining to others (Serkis, Gleeson, MVS, Fisher, Hamill, Ford) it isn't too long before you begin to believe that there's some sort of intended structure to what we're being fed. IMO.

 

Man of the leaks have been a joke, probably not worth trusting unless you have a reason to believe that the closer we get to the release date the more accurate the info is.

 

Maybe we should take this to the thread i linked above (we've kind of left Finn behind), but there could be several reasons for what you've identified:

• there are probably more leaks around Finn and Rey than other characters because they play the largest roles/are more central;
• two of the more reliable leakers MSW and Devin Farci have both copped to withholding or sitting on information because they view it as too spoilery. That's their prerogative, but it plays a part in explaining why we haven't seen a lot of stuff from Acts II and III; and
• there are lots of rumors about Hamill (disappeared decades ago, very powerful, saves day in a bad way), Ford (we have concepts of his TFA outfit, rumors that he's at the helm of a SSD and that Finn and Rey head to him after they leave the desert planet), and MVS (Rey's mentor on desert planet). Things are more skimpy about Gleeson and Serkis, but In the last few months, we also finally got some rumors about who they could be as well (Imperial and big-bad, respectively).

There's no disputing that JJ has tried to keep as much as possible under wraps. To take a page from your book, I just haven't seen any evidence or any trustworthy source to suggest that he or those who work for him are deliberately engaging in an effort to mislead us.

 

Yeah, let's steer this back on topic in here please.

 

Ok. The misleading impliance wasn't meant to be all encompassing. Only part of it. As we know, some of the concept we've seen came to fruition in the teaser. That makes you think, "well, some of this stuff is true. The teaser is testament to that" right? But then when you actually begin to thoughtfully perceive it with a logical mind? You haven't really been given anything with any true meat to it regarding plot, true character detail. Nothing. You've just been given enough. And that, I'm afraid, isn't coincidence. It can't be. Not, when the majority of everything else, is extremely vague. To say the least. To put it in lay men's terms, answer this for me. What do you 100% know to be true beyond the shadow of doubt about everything regarding TFA? Every pertinent characters details and arcs, plot..everything? Very little, i wager.

 

If this is all disinformation, great. I want to be at least slightly surprised when it comes to the new characters and Luke. But there's no denying I love reading all the great ideas and speculation that come from a new rumor. And if something is true, well that's fine too.

I love talking about characters and what they could or could not be anyway. I really enjoy a lot of the speculation about Finn and Poe on these boards and the talk about Rey has opened my mind a bit more about her character too.

 

Finn a Jedi doe, stay skeptical.

 

I hope to see him atleast begin his Jedi training by the ene of this film.

 

If JJ seriously correlated "The Force Awakening" with Finn's first ever appearance and he's not force sensitive. I'll admit, that would be some funny ****.

Also I love the logic of some people around here. We have the same amount of rumors supporting the idea that Finn is Jedi/force sensitive just as much as Rey, but for some reason some people are dead sure about her status. To each his own of course , but come on now. Let's not pretend one form of rumor/speculation outweighs another.

I have yet to read anything to suggest either Finn or Rey aren't force sensitive, so yea, there's that.

 

Bruhh.

 

It would be rather whacked if we were all wrong about Finn and Rey being force sensitive in the first place. What it's only Ren and Poe? Just saying...

I wouldn't mind either way, I just want interesting characters, force sensitive or not.

 

Just wait until the movie comes out. People are so attached to some ideas if they turn out to be different they will collapse. Finn has to be a Jedi, Rey a Solo, Plagueis the big baddie, Luke has to have a family... I would say half of this won´t end up in the movie.

The movie I had in my mind was different than what the rumors suggest right now, so I have chosen the easy route and I´m open to everything until the movie comes out. If when I see it it disappoints me I will unleash all my hate here at once.