ST John Boyega (Finn) in Episode VII

That's not EU it IS Lucas' Saga. He called it the Skywalker Saga, 9 Episodes to tell

We have the hero's journey, twice, nothing saying we are getting it again

 

No, just the fact that Lucas lieks to repeat things as the series goes on.

 

So you agree that Luke has a kid and that the kid is the main lead?

 

How can I agree to anything about Episode VII when none of us know anything about it?

And no, what makes sense to me, to maintain the story structure of these movies and to include the plot twist they like to have, killing off the "assumed" main characters and thrusting another character, less prepared for what he has to face, makes a lot more sense.

 

You said we are getting the HJ because Lucas likes to repeat things. Repeating things means Luke's son.

What movie did they kill the assumed lead?

 

Or it means the heroes journey story structure, which doesn't fit someone born into the position Lukes son would be, so to make that structure work, you kill off the character everyone expects to be the hero (which repeats the shocking plot twist).

2 repeats vs 1.

 

For some odd reason I have this feeling that Isaac will end up being Being Boyega's Master who in turn, will be Driver's rival. I also think they're going to go with a three way fight scene with Isaac, Boyega, and Driver, with Isaac's character dying in the first movie just to kick things off like they did with episode one.

 

so, a Skywalker son can't be trained and fight to overcome the darkness? That's the whole shebang or repeats

 

You read what the Hero Journey story structure is.

I think they are goign to get away from the PT structure were almost every hero/good guy is a Jedi. It made them all kinda bland and blend together. Besides, wasn't it reportd/rumored that one of hte main leads was a "Han Solo "type" military man"? Isaac would seem to fit that mould. Wouldn't that also put Isaac and Mark Hamill in basically the same character space?

 

I've read JC's work. Nothing would preclude Luke's son from going on a hero journey

 

I have. Also, there's nothing wrong with another Skywalker or Solo being sent on their own Hero's Journey. Look at Bilbo Baggins from The Hobbit or Frodo Baggins in Lord of the Rings. Both are characters that come from reasonable wealth and well upbringing, only to be sent out into the wild and undergo their own Hero's Journey. There's nothing to say that another Skywalker or Solo can't do the same.

 

That's a good point. Also, Frodo knew about Bilbo's adventures and that knowledge didn't prepare him for his own adventure because they were pretty different. Someone from the Skywalker family could have an adventure that's not comparable to Luke's.

 

You need to read it again - being born into that position takes way the whole beginning and set up of the Heroes Journey.

With a character like that there is no discovery of their destiny, no discovery of their abilities and/or powers etc... Anakin grew up a slave, Luke a dirt farmer. Neither had any idea of what they could be, thats an important element of the Heroes Journey story. Some born into the position LUkes son or daughter would be wouldn't have this, they'd be born KNOWNING it all already. There is no meeting of the mentor, they've know him their whole lives. There is no trail, they'd be Jedi already, given their ages.

Bilbo doesn't save the world, is the only warrior left who has to restablished the old order, a public figure etc... Its an apples to oranges comparison.

 

So, Herakles, Odysseus, Theseus, to name a few, didn't go on Hero Journeys? They were born into it.

The Call to Adventure is the main beginning point. Anybody can be called to adventure. Not everyone needs to be a peasant to follow the hero journey. I think you should re-read it.

 

Wow. You're really ignoring the point. Bilbo didn't need to save the world or re-establish anything. The point is that he went on his own Hero's Journey. As did Frodo. A big part of those stories, especially Bilbo's, is that a person from a civilized and advanced society is thrown in the wilderness for the first time and grows from the experiences that follow.

We don't know what sort of life the new Solo or Skywalker child(ren) have lived. They could have chosen not to be trained as Jedi growing up, or perhaps Luke didn't choose to train them. If the main protagonist is a Solo child, perhaps they've grown up in a more political society?

 

No, you just didn't make a good one.

The problem with Luke son's vea the Heroes Journey is because of his father did, he won't have the humble beginnings that "Hero Journey" heroes have. He would skip the entire first part of the story about discovery (self, destiny and mentor), because he was born into those things. Because Bilbo is not a hero to Middle Earth the way Luke is to the Star Wars Universe Frodo was not in the same positino Lukes son would be.

Just like Luke, having grown up with his aunt and uncle as a dirt farmer, and not the son of a Jedi Hero, had go through those same steps.

And the reports of the male lead being the Black member of the cast, also kind hints that the main character is not a blood relative of Luke, so this would relegate Lukes son (if it is the guy who looks more like Guiness and McGreggor) to a supporting role.........

 

I don't know enough about those charactgers off the top of my head to comment, but given how accurate your take on the Star Wars movies is (like forgetting tere is a bar close to Obi-wans house), I'm willing to bet you got some details wrong or are leavingthem out help make your point, here too

 

You don't need humble beginnings to go on the hero journey. That is only ONE motif. Please read Joe C's work before continuing.

he's reported as a lead, not the lead.

The actual reports were that THE lead was the last part cast, which we now know was Gleeson.

 

Actually it's pretty clear that you're just ignoring my point: We don't know what sort of upbringing the new generation of Skywalkers or Solos have had. You're assuming that Luke has a son, a Ben Skywalker-type character. You also seem to be narrowing the idea of what a Monomythic Hero can be and that he has to be a grandiose savior. It's a common trait, sure, but the idea is more about the journey itself. Bilbo is most certainly a classic example of a Monomythic Hero, regardless of the fact that his journey didn't result in him being a renowned hero to Middle Earth. Frodo certainly looked up to him and idolized him.

Sure, Boyega could certainly end up being the Main Character. But don't write off the potential of another Skywalker/Solo in that role either.

 

Deep Blue Sea maybe. Samuel L. Jackson seemed to be heading in the direction of "wise leader-type who keeps the group together" then in the middle of a motivational speech, a shark ate him.

 

You're right, we don't. But its logically to assume if they showed any force ability they would have been trained, and they would be (considering who their parents are) counted on to make contributes to the galaxy and the new governement. They could go another way with it, but there have no rumors or reports of that being hte case, and there is zero reason to believe they went that way with it. They could also make Luke's son unable to use the force and set up him in a supporting to role because of that.

However, assuming they go the "Luke son is a Jedi like his father and grand father", it eliminates the first few steps of the Heroes Journey narrative. ANd yes its about the jounrey, but when you set the character up so he doesn't have the take first few steps.....

And, as of right now, the rumors/reports are that Boyega IS the main character (along with Isaac).

 

They also did it in Executive Decision. He was talking about Lucas and star Wars

 

Maybe he thought Obi-Wan was going to be the lead in ANH, before he got killed?

 

The question is....faulty.

If they go that way and they remove the "security" blanket of Lukes son early and put the focus on another character (like Boyega's Jedi) then Lukes son wouldn't be the main character.

Think of it like Mystery Men - they kill the "Superman" character of the movie and let the lesser heroes all step up and be the heroes, but because they did that, the superman character isn't the main character.

The Other Guys, they kill the stero typical "movie cops" in the first 10 minutes, so they weren't the main characters, but its the same isutatino I'm suggesting here.

In Scream when you first see Drew Barrymore you assume she'll be the main character and survive and around for a large part of the movie, they killed her in the first 5 minutes and put the focus on some (then) lesser known actors.

Hell, in Lost (Abrams had something to do with that right?) originally Jack was susposed to die in part 2 of the pilot for the part of the reason I'm suggesting Lukes son might - remove the security blanket. Jack, on paper, is the ideal hero for that situatino - 30 year old man who is a Dr. Who else would you want on that island with you? So clearly its an idea that has been in Abrams head before.

 

Let's just agree that we'll know more as they release character names and additional info