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Books Journey to TFA: Lost Stars by Claudia Gray (finally coming to paperback Aug 1!)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by GrandAdmiralJello , Jul 8, 2015.

  1. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Kind of avoided this due to the whole 'young adult' thing. Was afraid I would get some angsty teen nonsense.

    however...after reading it I am looking forward to more of Thane and Ciena. Maybe involving the liberation of their homeworld and the nature of honoring an oath to someone/thing that does not deserve it.
     
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  2. Mistress_Renata

    Mistress_Renata Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    So I only just finished this, and I am a bit puzzled... exactly what war crimes are they charging Ciena with? Granted, we don't see much of her day to day work; apart from her role as a fighter pilot. But is she burning down civilian villages, unleashing biological warfare, ordering captured Rebels tortured, shooting down unarmed merchant ships? Unless GFFA is a lot more stringent than our world, simply serving in an unpopular military isn't usually in and of itself likely to get you charged with war crimes. Frankly, Thane would be closer to that charge, since he was serving on the Death Star at the time Alderaan was destroyed.

    She was commanding a ship at Jakku, but she was up against the NR military, a valid target. I dunno...Seems to me that she has a decent shot of being cleared of all charges, although her life in the Republic is pretty much forever tainted.

    I thought Nash was a very tragic person...he had to justify his allegiance to the system that destroyed his homeworld and everything he loved. If the New Republic ever captures him, I hope they have a team of good shrinks.
     
  3. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I would assume that the war crimes trials will be for Imp High Command and those involved with the atrocities like the Wookiee and Bodach'i slavery, the Geonosian extermination and such.

    Ciena (and probably a whole lot of Imp personnel) would have their records looked over and be debriefed/interrogated and then released to go back home. In my head I foresee quite a few former Imps enlisting in their Planetary Security Forces.

    As for Nash? I see him going Kamikaze if it ever looks like he will be captured. That boy is out where the buses don't run.
     
  4. WebLurker

    WebLurker Jedi Master star 4

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    Maybe the idea was to use her as an example, if not as a scapegoat, to show that the Rebels are willing to carry out justice (even if she was found innocent, it would still be a good example for them). It's worth noting that Thane was pretty convinced that she would get off, so there may not have been a case against her.
     
  5. Mistress_Renata

    Mistress_Renata Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yes, from what little I can see of Ciena's work, there really isn't much to charge her with. She is unnecessarily gloomy. As to the High Command, yes, they could be charged, if they were caught and if any of them were still alive (Vader did cut quite a swath). Ah, Palpatine's advisors on Coruscant...where did they get to?
     
  6. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    It's right after the most brutal battle of the GCW and the Rebels are feeling vengeful. War crime trials seem the norm -- in Legends, they excited Grand Admiral Teshik on a completely sham charge.

    Then again, at least one source tells us that as the Empire was losing the battle, they scuttled their Star Destroyers and tractored Mon Cal cruisers down with them. While not a war crime strictly, that's a pretty distasteful move that the Rebels are probably none too happy with. And Ciena is a surviving captain of that battle.


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  7. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Given how little we know of Teshik's career, other than that he cut himself off from emotions after his injuries and becoming a cyborg, along with being "probably the least evil of the grand admirals" it's hard to say just how "sham" the charges levelled at Teshik were.
     
  8. jamminjedi23

    jamminjedi23 Jedi Master star 5

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    Well for those that really liked Lost Stars but havn't been reading the Aftermath series you should probably get the last book in the series at the very least because there is a good chance that Ciena will make an appearance in Empire's End. Wendig gave a ton of NEU references in Life Debt and he will likely do the same for Empire's End (especially given the fact that Ciena's ship is on the front cover of it).
     
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  9. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Comparing the new map that puts Jelucan along the Hydian where it has that large curve....and the old map with all the planets, sectors, and hyperlanes.....I am reasonably sure that Jelucan is in the Kwymar sector.
     
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  10. WebLurker

    WebLurker Jedi Master star 4

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    How do we know it's the same ship?
     
  11. jamminjedi23

    jamminjedi23 Jedi Master star 5

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    Probably a good chance. I doubt we will find out that three or four star destroyers crashed into the surface of Jakku.
     
  12. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    I thought dozens did (and the SSD Ravager) it's just that the Inflictor was the most intact of those?
     
  13. jamminjedi23

    jamminjedi23 Jedi Master star 5

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    Maybe. I have been under the assumption that that Star Destroyer in the movie was the only one that crashed on the planet. There were lots of other smaller ships but no other star destroyer.
     
  14. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Rey's AT-AT, Hellhound Two, was deployed from a different ISD, the Interrogator. Makes sense to me that the fleet would include multiple ISDs, and (when defeated) there would still be several ISDs left to scuttle themselves.

    When the Falcon flies through the Graveyard of Giants - the Star Destroyer seen looks slightly different from the Inflictor - left dome is more damaged - and the bow is more visible - having been twisted on impact.

    Inflictor:
    Other ship:
     
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  15. jamminjedi23

    jamminjedi23 Jedi Master star 5

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    Oh I was always under the impression that that was meant to be the same ship.
     
  16. Iron_lord

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  17. bizzbizz

    bizzbizz Jedi Master star 4

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    avoided this book for a while assuming it would be cliche and corny as hell but now im annoyed at myself for waiting so long absolutely loved the book and characters hopefully we get more of thane and ciena and see how important nash is to the empire/start of the first order.
     
  18. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    bizzbizz
    I was the same...you tell me 'young adult' novel and I start thinking angsty teen nonsense.

    I would love to see sequel where Thane and Ciena return home.

    Between the cleaning up the planet from the Imperial strip mining, to a new dyanmic betwen the 1st wavers and 2nd wavers, Thane and Ciena possibly joining a planetary defense force and the 1st wavers having a conflict among their people on the nature of honor....keeping your word no matter what as opposed to doing what is right.
     
  19. bizzbizz

    bizzbizz Jedi Master star 4

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    i went in expecting twilight and avoided it like the plague but kept hearing good things so gave it a chance and damn one of my faves of all star wars books legends included
     
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  20. mattman8907

    mattman8907 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    This is my favorite SW novel i have read over the year. I think i read it like four times.
     
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  21. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Perhaps folks might consider giving the "young adult" label another look? :)

    Heaven forbid if everyone judged the entire adult category by the standards of a couple bad books (there are plenty).
     
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  22. WebLurker

    WebLurker Jedi Master star 4

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    I've actually found the many of the "young adult" titles to be more enjoyable than the "adult" ones, as far as the Story Group canon Star Wars books go.
     
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  23. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    There's only been one Star Wars young adult title so far (Ahsoka will be the second), but yes, the middle grade books have been thoroughly excellent for the most part.

    I was referring to the YA category writ large -- books outside of Star Wars.
     
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  24. Vthuil

    Vthuil Force Ghost star 5

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    The problem with the "young adult" "genre" is that it's really just a marketing thing, which encourages an excess of trend-chasing. By that same token, though, there's nothing inherent to it in terms of quality one way or another, so judging it by individual works is silly.
     
  25. WebLurker

    WebLurker Jedi Master star 4

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    Umm, weren't Before the Awakening, Weapon of a Jedi, Smuggler's Run, Rey's Survival Guide, the Servants of the Empire series, the TFA junior novelizations, all young adult books? Or is that a different category?

    I don't know. Good writing is good writing, regardless of the target audience.