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Books Journey to TLJ: Canto Bight

Discussion in 'Literature' started by GrandAdmiralJello , Jul 20, 2017.

  1. Darth-Krayt

    Darth-Krayt Jedi Padawan star 1

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    So the starwars.com stuff saying it is during TLJ is wrong?
     
  2. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    I'd go with DI's info.
     
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  3. Darth-Krayt

    Darth-Krayt Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Maybe some stories are before TFA and some during TLJ
     
  4. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    To be honest, the book's far more fun if you don't give a damn about the chronology!
     
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  5. DarthInternous

    DarthInternous Editor - Del Rey Star Wars star 3 VIP

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    Considering the amount of time between TFA/TLJ, I'd go with "it doesn't matter. At all." But, since I know that it does matter to some readers, I will tell you that the stories were written under the premise that it was before. Though, intentionally vague as to how long before. Because there's nothing in the stories - aside from 1 joke - that really is impacted by whether it occurs before/after/during.
     
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  6. Darth-Krayt

    Darth-Krayt Jedi Padawan star 1

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  7. SWpants

    SWpants Force Ghost star 5

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    I have had this book for almost a year, but canon has left me so disappointed and depressed -- not to mention, the Canto Bight scene was the most inane part of TLJ for me (I wanted the book because of JJM's story) -- that I've waited until I would go in with a clearer mind.

    I still didn't expect to like it. However, I bloody loved it.

    Especially Miller's story.
    Now.
    I may be looking way too much into this, but there is mention of Kal being a “Kamino clone” (meaning that he’s easy to read). BUT, while he’s not, neither was Kal Skirata in Legends, but Skirata trained them. I don’t know if that was a purposeful nod or if I’m looking for things that aren’t there.
    @JohnJacksonMiller tell me I'm insane :p
     
  8. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    For all I get your reasoning of the effect of TLJ, I see the Canto Bight stories as a real hidden gem. They only have the most tenuous link to the film and, I think, work better without looking for that. Taken on their own, just as SW short stories, it's a great little set.
     
  9. Barriss_Coffee

    Barriss_Coffee Chosen One star 6

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    I loved all four stories in this -- after years of hoping for more Tales-of-the anthologies, these more than made up for the wait. They were more in the vein of the Tales stories than A Certain Point of View was, in that they were real stories and not snapshots in time (I'd argue A Certain POV was a lot more of an experimental anthology).

    JJM's final story also added a dimension to Canto Bight that is missing from TLJ, in that some people are there just to have fun and escape their dreary lives or the wars inflicting the rest of the Galaxy. It's fake, sure, and there are people there doing shady stuff and getting rich off the war, but not everyone there is a criminal. (I guess it's like the deal with Disney World/Land -- some people hate on it because it's a money making scheme, others love it because it makes people and especially kids happy.)
     
  10. SWpants

    SWpants Force Ghost star 5

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    I wholeheartedly agree with you both. These were fleshed out short stories that wove together in a cohesive manner and left me feeling more understanding towards the city as a whole. Maybe the book wasn’t “100% perfect,” but regarding its place in Star Wars, it was beyond appropriate no matter the timeline and exactly what *I* feel has been missing from a lot (def not all) of the stories/books thus far: continuity, realism with the flavor of ‘Star Wars’ (or SW realism), a link to the entire past as a whole, appropriate humor, and empathy towards characters.

    This is one I wouldn’t mind rereading in the future.
     
  11. Tal0nkarrde2

    Tal0nkarrde2 Jedi Knight star 1

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    While I enjoyed the stories in Canto Bight, I was hoping for more...something more along the lines of Tales from Mos Eisley and Tales from Jabba's Palace. MY full review of Star Wars: Canto Bight can be found at http://www.g-pop.net/swcantobight.htm
     
  12. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    So, my post-ROTJ read through continues.

    You know, I almost skipped this one because I wasn't sure if I had time to read it and Before the Awakening, TFA, Cobalt Squadron, Black Spire & Resistance Reborn before ROS comes out. But I'm really glad I didn't. I had forgotten this was an anthology, so that was a great little surprise reminder. After requesting a proper, Tales-like, anthology, for, now, almost 2 decades, it was a blast to have another- even if only for 4 stories.

    Now, of course, it's dealing with characters that are much, much less known than the original Tales Of/From series- but, then, that was some of the fun when you had a story about a character you knew nothing about, so this recreates that four times over. However, as a result, I did find myself checking Wookieepedia more often than I ever do during most books. This kinda needed a companion visual reference of some sort- it could have really benefited from having character illustrations at the start of each story, like Tales had. Or at least less-stylzied covert art that could have highlighted/depicted them more clearly/distinctly.

    That said, for a book set within a casino city, it sure had the worst damn luck of any movie tie-in, didn't it? 95% of the characters and situations originate entirely from a scene deleted from the Fathier stampede sequence in the film (specifically: the spa/bath house). A shame, since it does rob the book of any "movie insight" bonuses it had (a minor thing, sure, but always welcome).

    The book does a real good job of adding character to the city. In the film, you get that it's really fancy and has the one-percenters selling to both sides of the impending conflict, but you don't get a sense of the structure much. The stories here show how many get trapped by the nature of the city and casinos, with their debt or status. It gives us a glimpse of the criminal element without making it seem like other planets with gangsters that we've seen.

    All four stories end up being pretty good. JJM's anchor is the greatest page turner. Just great pacing and urgency there. Rae Carson's introduces the most memorable new character with Lexo Sooger. Mira Grant's focus on a bottle of wine is an unexpected subject but involves intriguing characters and some interesting questions that could be explored elsewhere. And Saladin Ahmed's opener at first seems very silly (because, well, you really can't avoid that with a creature that looks like Kedpin) and you start thinking it might be a skippable, silly little story- but ends up being rather enjoyable and really has you rooting for Kedpin.

    The stories are not as fully integrated as the Tales books were, but there are some crossover appearances between them, and the first two stories do a good job at hinting at the main antagonist of the later two stories. JJM's also manages to bring things somewhere full-circle so you do feel like the book, as a whole, has a beginning, middle and end.

    One aspect that is most insightful about this book, particularly in JJM's story, is that it shows how the larger galaxy is away from, and unaware of, larger galactic events. In the decades since Alderaan, many aren't even aware of the planet having been blown up- despite trees from the planet lining the arrival of the casino they're in. Others aren't even aware of the destruction of Hosnian Prime, despite that being the capital of the main galactic government and having just happened. Jedi Knights are something people haven't heard of (granted, that started to happen during the OT era, but it shows that Luke's temple didn't do much to change that perception).

    JJM's also had a semi-meta comment (intentional or accidental) about how it is a crowded galaxy "that had too much history and was making more every day" whose sufferings are trying to be forgotten. Given that JJM is, with those words, literally adding to that history, one might take that as a comment on SW production and publication ;).

    Also- MOSEP! :D Ol' fake Jabba himself. Next time I make a CCG deck, he's going in it somehow.

    Overall, a fun read- but definitely look up images of the characters before you read (I think some, but not all, are in the TLJ Visual Dictionary as well). 9/10

    I really hope we can get a second volume one day, to showcase more characters and to be able to tie into the film events from other POVs like the Tales series did so well. Maybe that won't happen, what with TLJ (and the Canto Bight sequence in particular) being so controversial, but I think further anthologies would work independent of those vocal minorities. I'd like to hope so, at least.


    Ranking NU Adult Novels so far:
    -The Last Jedi 10.0
    -Catalyst 9.5
    -Last Shot 9.0
    -Canto Bight 9.0
    -Alphabet Squadron 8.75
    -Lords of the Sith 8.5
    -Bloodlines 8.0
    -Aftermath: Empire's End 7.75
    -Aftermath: Life Debt 7.5
    -Tarkin 7.0
    -Aftermath 7.0
     
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  13. Todd the Jedi

    Todd the Jedi Mod and Loving Tyrant of SWTV, Lit, & Collecting star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Some of the characters are blink-and-miss, but they are there if you know to look for them. It's really just Lexo, Kedpin, and Ganna that were cut.
     
  14. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Some are, true, but it's clear the book was anchored around the Spa scene characters and setting. Even those that don't directly feature the Spa itself are using characters somehow linked to it (such as Ganna) or aspire to using it (or mention actually using it). It's used more than the actual casino.

    But, even still, Lexo and Kedpin are the main characters of two of the 4 stories. And Ganna is the main antagonist overshadowing the whole book.
     
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  15. DarthInternous

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    "it is clear the book was anchored around the Spa scene" - @The2ndQuest

    It was not anchored around that scene. During development, the authors were given an exhaustive list/images of every character in Canto Bight. And they were all given 100% free reign to choose any of them to build their story around. The only real rule was hoping not everyone choose the same character. That didn't happen at all, they all choose different people with some small overlap. And then we built more overlap to create some fun cohesion. That many of the characters would appear in that spa scene is pure coincidence and not part of any plan.

    Also the book takes place at least a week or so before the events seen in TLJ (and up to 2 weeks actually). So the Hosnian joke isn't that it already blew up, it's that it is about to blow up. TFA hasn't yet happened during Canto Bight.
     
  16. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    When I read and I enjoyed this set of stories I didn't link anything to the film. Not least as the stories didn't need it.
     
  17. The2ndQuest

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    That's interesting. That it ended up being pure coincidence makes its bad luck even more amusing ;). It does give one the impression of it being anchored that way, though. And that's not a complaint- it's much more interesting than just using the casino.

    I got the impression that the first three stories were before TLJ (Kedpin's 2 week vacation, as you reference) and that JJM's might be the same day as TLJ/Hosnian Prime (thus word hadn't been blasted everywhere yet, if anyone cared), while the epilogue would be afterwards if one takes that to be the case. Time for Kal to start his new job, learn the regulars' names, etc. Kedpin gets to have his vacation go out on a high note with the lucky brothers after the Spa stampede, etc.

    Admittedly it can be set entirely beforehand, but the line I recall (don't have the quote offhand) was something like "Did you hear what happened on/at Hosnian Prime?", which does seem like it would b taken as a reference to TFa by most folks.
     
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  18. DarthInternous

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    The entire book takes place over the same day/night/early next morning. So all 4 stories are occurring more or less simultaneously (which allowed for the overlap). The epilogue of JJM's story takes place at an undetermined time in the future, so that's the only part that's not on the same day.
     
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  19. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Alright, cool. That still works. Could squeeze TFA's events in there as simultaneous, then, with Finn & Rose arriving a couple nights later. Epilogue either just before the stampede or shortly after (within a week or two) but I suppose the latter would be more difficult to explain why no one is remarking about all the damage and chaos (it would at least be an odd omission),

    But, even if I'm reading the Hosnian line wrong, the book still has the interesting general insight into the perception of Alderaan, as well as others trying to forget the larger galactic events.
     
  20. Maythe14thBeWithYou

    Maythe14thBeWithYou Jedi Master star 4

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    I just finished this book yesterday and gave it three stars. The reasons being,

    The 1st story was okay, I felt for Ked & didn't want him getting hurt but at first I wasn't sure of it.
    The 2nd story made me like the first waaaay more. In the Grant story I didn't care about any of the characters or the plot.
    The 3rd was really good and got me hooked right away. I loved the characters and thought it was beyond cool. Hats off to Carson!
    The 4th was mixed for me. It took a little too long to get going & I almost dropped it. I wished I dropped the 2nd. However once it got going it was funny & interesting. I was invested in Kal by the end.