DarthJuggalo: "Thats all and good but the fact that your boy Lucas CONSTANTLY seems to want to contradict himself would make one believe that maybe he doesn't know his movies as well as we think he does. Every justification he spits out about the CT duels compared to the PT duels are totally contradicted by the PT period. The PT shows old men(Dooku, Sidious, Yoda)all at the top of their game. I think everyone understands that he is the creator of Star Wars. That doesn't make him perfect though. Going with your logic, I guess you believe that Han didn't shoot first huh? Just because Lucas says so doesn't mean it makes sense. " Leave it to the jaded to find fault in everything. Exactly when did he contradict himself? Seems to me more like your baseless opinion that he contradicts himself than a factual, proven assertion. Dooku, Sidious and Yoda, as has been established, have been active at that point, Old Ben hasn't. He has spent his time preparing to become truly powerful, through the force, not dueling. The same OT gives the answer when Vader himself denounces Ben of his "weakness," by saying: "Your powers are weak old man." That phrase does not in any way infer that he would be weak for being old, quite the contrary, seems to me that Vader is surprised that Ben is weak. What he doesn't know is that Ben is on his way to become "more powerful than you can possibly imagine." That, my friend, goes beyond mere capacity to duel and do flips. Furthermore, we are making a huge, I repeat, HUGE assumption when we believe Ben wasn't capable to fight better. Heck, going by ANH alone a smart person would deduct that in fact Ben isn't weak at all, but rather that he has a plan to carry out: sacrifice himself, become more powerful and inspire Luke to destroy his father all at the same time. Remember that Ben firmly believes Luke must destroy Vader. Luke: "I can't kill my own father!" Ben: "Then the Emperor has already won..." Now, as I said before, the OT itself shows his explanations to be true. Whichever way you look at it or interpret it, Vader is a hulking robot, and that will inevitably make him a little slower, though not neccessarily weaker. Besides, the OT does have some flipping and acrobatic Jedi style! Sure, it's limited, but the reasons are sound. In ESB we see a glimpse of what Jedi can do. Luke performs an awesome super jump that even earns him praise form Vader, "Impressive...most impresive!" He is surprised that this boy can actually do some advanced Jedi moves! Luke, whether you like it or not, IS a half assed trained Jedi, and yet he manages to do some cool flips. In ROTJ he performs great leaps in the duel (hinting at the potential of fighting using the force). Even Vader does some acrobatics. Remember his little flying down the steps in ROTJ? That reveals a lot of his true potential. Personally, I firmly beleieve that people who want to find hole will inevitably find them. In truth, if the PT didn't have all the amazing acrobatics and super kinetic duels I would have been dissappointed and all the bashers would have been up in arms because it "doesn't make sense that Jedi in their prime can fight better than this slow crap!" The argument on this would be totally opposite and people would be clamoring for the PT to have shown Jedi using the Force to greater effect in dueling. The OT hints plenty that Jedi of old would have been exaclty as they were in the PT. As far as Lucas and his descisions, well, maybe when you become a successful writer you'll understand a creative process and how creators decide to adjust their work to better suit their taste, until then, ignorance does not justify bashing. Han shooting first: Most... overblown...piece...of...trivia. So what if he shot first!?!?! Honestly, if that is ruining SW for you then how sad it is. And lastly: Just because you don't accept reasons doesn't make those reasons invalid!