Discussion Keep the Midi-chlorians out of the sequels please!!

That's cell biology, not quantum mechanics.

 

I understand the concept too. I don't like it, but I understand it.

 

Not gonna get into a semantics debate about this but the Force (thus midchlorians) are everywhere -- they surround us and pentrate us. In other words, Obi-wan, they are quantum particles like light.

 

Did you even read what I wrote? Apparently not.

 

Midichlorians are only in living cells. Midichlorians are not the Force.

 

You wrote this

According to the PT, none of those things are as important as having force bacteria. That's the problem. It's not about what's in your mind, but in your blood. Anakin is powerful because Anakin has more force bacteria. Such poetry.

 

These are not mutually exclusive criteria.

 

what's in you blood grants you the POTENTIAL to manipulate the Force. What's in your will grants you the ABILITY to manipulate the Force.

That's what Yoda is telling Luke.

 

No, I wrote all this: "Yoda isn't teaching why Luke can use the Force and other can't. Yoda is teaching that Luke, who has the potential to use it, needs to believe in himself and his abilities to do so (because that's not the midi-chlorians job). And that it isn't dependable on size, muscle strenght, etc, but on will and open mind."

Says who? They are as important as having midi-chlorians. It's not the midi-chlorians that make you use the Force. They allow you to. The part that requires the belief in yourself and and having the will to do it is on you.

No. See above.

It's useless to keep arguing with someone who apparently wants to miss the point.

 

Anakin was not powerful as a 9 year old. Anakin became powerful with training and knowledge.

 

I'm not missing the point at all, and if you look at what you just wrote, you made my point for me.

That sounds pretty dependent on force bacteria to me, or do you deny that.

 

And force bacteria, which makes him a savior. He's just a dude without it.

 

Yes, you are. You keep saying "It's not about what's in your mind" when it is.

Strawman. Nobody is denying that you need a good amount of midi-chlorians in order to have the ability to use the Force. What you are denying (missing the point) is that "the belief part" disappears or is irrelevant, when it doesn't/isn't.

 

Right, that's how I think of it too. The Force permeates everything, as Yoda says, and midichlorians are the receivers in a cell that allow an entity to tune in to the Force.

That said, I don't think midichlorians are conceptually necessary to appreciate the mythos of the GFFA. I hope they don't come up in any future movies.

 

Which brings us right back to square one, doesn't it.

Apparently, we are the crude matter. Because by your own admission, you have to have space bacteria (crude matter) as a base criteria. So, Yoda was lying.

The training, the work, the insight, the dedication, the meditation, none of that matters without the crude matter in this PT way of looking at it.

So, Yoda was lying.

 

nope, he needs the training and will to be powerful.

 

You can't say that, he needs the crude matter. All the training in the world doesn't matter without it in this PT view of the force. Luminious being he is not, crude matter he is. Yoda must not have known a thing

 

Yoda was not lying because he wasn't telling Luke WHY (midichlorians) he can use the Force, but HOW (will and faith) he can use the Force.

 

you need both. One to be able to use it, and the other to actually use it.

 

The crude matter is a necessary ingredient in the how, at least it is now that we have these force bacteria. Is it not?

 

Bingo, you need both. So then, we are the crude matter. That Yoda had it all wrong. What a dolt

 

It's the why. Luke's will/belief is the how.

 

See the posts above for what Yoda wasteaching Luke.

 

And we were so close! The power came from the force bacteria, you can't go backwards now. He's a crude matter being.

 

Forget it. He will keep ignoring it...