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ST Kelly Marie Tran (Rose Tico) in TLJ

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by Darth Chiznuk , Feb 15, 2016.

  1. The Legions of Lettow

    The Legions of Lettow Jedi Master star 5

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    I was going off the movie. I haven't read the novel. If the novel states they did target civilians, they're terrorists. But "suggest...wikking" doesn't m we an the same thing.
     
  2. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Even in Rogue One, a point is made of how Saw is an "extremist".

    It was Saw, who made it so much easier for the Empire to paint the Rebellion as a whole, as terrorists:

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Partisans

    Regarding the news article - it's an interesting question, as to when cyberbullying becomes cyberterrorism. When the goal is to "change things" and the method involves terrorising people into submission, then the cyberbully can be called a cyberterrorist.
     
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  3. The Legions of Lettow

    The Legions of Lettow Jedi Master star 5

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    Well, extremists aren't necessarily terrorists, but this is Imperial propaganda, as you noted. The link to wiki says Saw and his group do target civilians, but wiki isn't canon. It isn't clear if targeting civilians is from a canonical source. Civilian deaths are mentioned, but were they targeted?

    And it appears you're equivocating on 'terrorizing'. Were forced or violence used?
     
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  4. La Calavera

    La Calavera Force Ghost star 4

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    Terrorism still comes with the use of violence and intentions to instill terror attached to the meaning.

    I don’t know what happened to her, but if the bullies threatened her personal safety with violence and other terror tactics, and made her genuinely feel afraid for her life or well-being, I think that would definitely qualify as cyber-terrorism.

    Cyber-bullying in itself is not necessarily terrorism, though when gone to extreme levels it can become that (in which the attackers find out the home address and literally terrorize the person in question).
     
  5. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I have no problem calling a coordinated cyberattack, including threats of violence or wishes for violent acts to happen, with the intention of frightening someone away from social media and maybe away from acting in future Star Wars movies, an act of cyber terrorism.

    I think we can distinguish different kinds of terrorism, with cyber terrorism being different from physical terrorism.
     
  6. The Legions of Lettow

    The Legions of Lettow Jedi Master star 5

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    Here are various definitions. Wiki discusses broad and narrow versions. Frightening an individual with violence doesn't appear to be covered by any definition.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cyberterrorism

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberterrorism

    https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/cyberterrorism

    https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/dictionary.cambridge.org/amp/english/cyberterrorism
     
  7. ardavenport

    ardavenport Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Rose had one of the best lines in a pretty fine movie...... paraphrasing, "We're not going to win by killing what we hate, but by saving what we love." The only way the Resistance is going to succeed without turning into the First Order itself, is to always remember what they're fighting for.
     
  8. RiddleMeThis

    RiddleMeThis Jedi Master star 4

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    Maybe this is a silly question, but what is the Resistance fighting for now and how will they win exactly? I thought it seemed from the opening text crawl in TFA that the Resistance was formed for the purpose of rebelling against the First Order mainly because the New Republic wasn't taking it seriously enough as a threat to the galaxy. And they continued to not take the FO seriously until they got literally wiped from existence by the Starkiller superweapon. Now the Resistance is not only without the backing of the Republic, but they too had their numbers severely culled and I don't see how they can serve as a physical force against the FO which is still extremely powerful despite the murder/replacement of their supreme leader. It looks like the Resistance, or what remains of it, can do almost nothing now in terms of open combat but must instead focus on saving what they love. It seems sort of impossible for them to defeat the FO at this point without having someone in a really powerful position in the Order itself turn against it and bring it down from within.
     
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  9. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    It's a campaign against a company (Lucasfilm) waged via targeting individuals working with the company. Just as ecoterrorism can involve the targeting of companies rather than governments.
     
  10. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I think the Oxford and Cambridge definitions cover what is happening very well, as the trolls are using information technology for politically-motivated reasons to instill terror, and KMT is not their only target. The end goal does not have to be destruction of a government.
     
  11. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Halfway through TLJ, the Resistance was rebranded the "Rebellion", again. Their purpose is now the purpose of the original Alliance since part of the point was to reset things back to OT status quo a bit. The evil Empire with a Dark Sider on the throne is in power and the tiny "Rebellion" with their one novice Jedi is in place to overthrow them.
     
  12. christophero30

    christophero30 Chosen One star 10

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    I like the idea of Lando hearing Leia's message and arriving in Episode 9 with a recruited fleet, led by Wedge Antilles. This would reinforce Rose's optimism.
     
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  13. Christus Regnet

    Christus Regnet Jedi Master star 3

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    And he could bring some YVH droids
     
  14. Admiral Keller

    Admiral Keller Jedi Knight star 1

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    The expansion of tribalism in the U.S. explains some of these growing issues. Tribe über alles is the name of the game these days, I hate it and wish I could stop it.
     
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  15. ShaneP

    ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Agreed. Everyone retreats to their own narrative bubbles.
     
  16. Jozgar

    Jozgar Jedi Master star 3

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    There’s definitely been an increase in identity politics in the last 15 years. Identity politics has always been a thing in America, but it has gone through waxing and waning periods, and right now it’s waxing. I think it’s time to accept that it hasn’t been healthy for this country.
     
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  17. Bacbacca

    Bacbacca Jedi Master star 3

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    We still don't know what happened and now this has been upgraded to a coordinated cyber attack?

    This getting a bit out there.
     
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  18. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films/NSA Mod & Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    People are calling it a coordinated cyber attack because a hate group has claimed responsibility for - you guessed it - coordinating a cyber attack against her.
    It's really not that out there these days, unfortunately - such things happen all too often.
     
  19. Jedi_Fenrir767

    Jedi_Fenrir767 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Glad you enjoyed that line. The timing of that line and the scene literally made me want to rip my hair out not to mention the awkward kiss afterward. Not blaming KMT but her entire relationship with Finn and the way he regressed in the movie and how she talked to him drove me nuts. I would have much rather spent time with her Sister Paige than Rose because I just didn't like her character maybe it's because of the way she and Finn were used. I do think she has potential but TLJ did not make me want to see any more of her.
     
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  20. Christus Regnet

    Christus Regnet Jedi Master star 3

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    Jake Lloyd certainly went through a nightmare, everything from hatemail and death threats, to bullying at school, to being stalked by sexual predators. I don't have a source, but I remember hearing something about his mother having to hold a press conference, or making a press release asking people to stop.
     
  21. Blame_It_On_Lucas

    Blame_It_On_Lucas Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Really? A line from a movie made you want to literally rip your hair out? Ok.

    By the way what made Paige so much more interesting? I've seen this a few times but nobody really provides further support. If there was no Rose and it was Paige doing the same things in place of her why would it be more acceptable?
     
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  22. WookieeShampoo

    WookieeShampoo Jedi Knight star 1

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    I can see why people dislike the "saving what we love" moment, while it sends out a strong massage but is also a bit heavy handed and not completely logical.
    I never really got what people dislike so much about the rest of her scenes during the film though ...
     
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  23. Jedi_Fenrir767

    Jedi_Fenrir767 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The character seemed much more sure of herself and willing to die for a cause well as Rose was different. If Paige was doing the same things as Rose I don't think I would have liked her much either. and that line at that specific point in the movie made me groan because it directly contradicted Holdo's sacrifice where she sacrificed herself to save the escaping ships the timing of it was just awful and to me felt ridiculous. Finn was sacrificing himself to save his friends. The line could have worked but Finn and Rose had 0 chemistry and it wasn't placed in the right part of the movie.

    The rest of her scenes I didn't like were because of the story and Finn felt like he was written to serve her character and regressed to being the guy that we saw running away in Maz Kanata's bar at the start of the film only to have Rose talk down to him for most of the movie while they both accomplish nothing. The pairing did not work nor did their storyline IMO as an overall part of the movie.
     
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  24. The Legions of Lettow

    The Legions of Lettow Jedi Master star 5

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    I think maybe we shouldn’t take ‘literally’ too literally.
     
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  25. Christus Regnet

    Christus Regnet Jedi Master star 3

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    I have no idea what that line is supposed to mean. Someone should start a thread where a black hole debate can begin, and figure it out.
     
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