Amph Kick-Ass & Kick-Ass 2 (Hit-Girl prequel & Kick-Ass 3 in the works?)

Sexual assault? Yes. Rape? No.

If it were rape, it would be called "rape" and not "attempted rape".

 

This is kind of one of those topics where you should sort of just close your mouth and not speak your mind even if you disagree. You, being OZK, are one of the last people on this planet to define what rape is or isn't and considering that it's a largely female-oriented problem you should just take the back seat on this one so that you don't make more of an idiot of yourself. Unless of course you've been raped and you wish to discuss it. Otherwise pipe the **** down.

 

I don't remember anything from the first movie, which is never a good sign, so I don't know about this one. Jim Carrey sounds pretty interesting, though

 

From what I've been hearing, Jim Carrey's performance is one of the only good things about this film.

 

I believe there's a legal controversy on whether there is rape w/o penetration or not.

Or something. It's not a topic for this thread, anyway, so stop it.

 

I thought the film was good, but not as good as the original.

Jim Carrey is good but under-used, the other supporting characters are fun and get some good laughs. Hit Girl is the best character and it's nice to see a real tough female in a super-hero type of movie who steals the scenes from all the men rather than just playing a supporting role like largely forgettable Black Widow does in Avengers.
Moretz deserves her own spin-off, if it's written well.


I'm not sure where the story can go from here, I know there is a Kick Ass 3 comic so I assume there will be a 3rd movie at some point.

 

Not seeing this. The first one made me feel positively ill.

 

The second one has the misfortune of not having Mark Strong either.

 

Wait... why are you calling him 'Ser Gregor'? That's not who he is.

 

I loved the movie. Loved. Loved. Loved it. It was better than the first (no Nick Cage!).

I missed the stinger scene. I'll have to watch it again.

 

Nick Cage was a big part of what made the first one work IMO, Carrey was meant to be his replacement for this movie but unfortunately was under-used. Shame, he seemed a better character overall.

 

The original Kick Ass is noteworthy for having the first legitimate "good" performance by Nic Cage in nearly 10 years.

 

Nic Cage was Nic Cage. He wasn't "good" in the movie. He was just himself and it happened to work with the role.

 

momma always said, nic cage is as nic cage does

 

I think the first Kick-Ass is a better film over all. I can't knock too much of KA2 though.

This link concerns a reply about acts of villainy, and concerns rape in the comic

The gist is that the writer seems to think that the best way to make an audience hate a villain is, among other things, rape. We are desensitized to murder, beatings, brutality, especially in comics and comic book type movies. These comics and films are more graphic of course.

The problem here is the girlfriend in refrigerators syndrome. It is done differently in KA1, where Hit Girl's father is killed and she then seeks further revenge and we(or at least I) wanted to see Hit Girl fight and fight and fight.

Rape is different. In The Shawshank Redemption it is a drama and situation that is overcome. It does not seem sensationalized, it's part of the story. I did not read the KA2 comic(yet) though I know about its rape scene. In the film it is not really implied either. The way it's done and edited MF has a comedic 'can't get it up' moment and then they beat her up. Not that that's ok, but like I said we take that easier.

What Millar gets wrong in his opinion is that we actually don't want to hate villains in fiction. We want to be entertained by them as they drive the narrative. The villains and/or antagonists move the story and make the situations to be overcome. Yes, we want Luke and Gang to overcome Vader. But we love Vader. We make lists like Top Ten FAVORITE villains. Vader the rapist? No. No fun. Hannibal Lecter eats people. Hannibal the rapist? Nope. No good.

In mythology, and modern tales that use mythology(See Donaldson) you can get away with rape scenes. Old mythology is loaded with it.

That's all the commentary I can do off the top of my head over the matter.

Anyway, Kick-Ass is good, go see it.

 

I almost gave up on reading the 2nd KA but surprisingly it won me over by the end.
I still don't like Millar's tendency to, IMO, go too far for no real reason.

Like I said though, it won me over and I'll probably see the movie at some point.

 

Goddammit. Only that second line up there is a link. Oops. How do we know what mods are on so I can chnage that?

 

Anyway, out of curiosity I looke dup Mother Russia. Olga Kurkulina is a pro bodybuilder, stands 6 foot tall, and weighs about 180 pounds.



Yeah, not my thing. But that's her. Here's a cool pic though.

 

So, saw it -- didn't love it but was "okay" -- and totally did not understand the ending one bit, so whatever point they were trying to make was confusing as all hell.