Amph The Walking Dead and Spinoffs on AMC

That was a kickass episode

 

Fixed.

 

I hate mid-season finales ... I almost stopped breathing during this episode

 

Anyone think a Walking Dead movie would work?

 

No

 

"Zombie movies are great, but I want to explore a long form story in that world, lets make a zombie comic book"
"Lets turn that comic book into a tv show!"
"Lets turn that TV show into a movie!"
"Yeah! Wait..."

 

I am for no too.

 

The show barely works.

 

Yeah, sure...

Survivors spend entire episodes pissing and moaning while so-called zombies do nothing

Find a prison or country house in Macon/Georgia doing nothing.

Whine-bitch-blah..

Call each other names.

Piss moan/piss moan.

White people don't take baths.

Scary.. white people smelling bad,, they all have cabs

Snore....

.....

 

kirkdawg need to step his game up

 

You forgot the video game part.

 

The video game is actually well regarded.

 

Well the one based on the comic. The one based on the show wasn't that great.

 

Yeah what he said.

 

Well, I might be one of the few people who wasn't that keen on this episode. It's not that I outright oppose the deaths of the Governor or Herschel. However, the vast majority of this season has been spent developing those two characters, almost to the exclusion of any other characters. Which means:

1) It was obvious to me they were both going to die.

2) They now have not developed any other people much this season and killed off the two most interesting characters.

I always expected the Governor in particular to die, but I thought it was handled in a sloppy manner. Just the whole execution of it was weird. The little girl being brought in bitten played as this weird afterthought in the midst of chaos rather than a real, impactful moment. And I think they could have gotten more mileage out of having him around a bit longer. It just made it kind of feel like they put these (what I thought were really great) episodes of focusing on that character just to throw him away right away.

I don't know. It wasn't awful but it felt incredibly rushed. It seemed like they were slowly building to some interesting conflicts. Then all those conflicts took place in about 30 minutes and were then over.

As someone who hasn't read the comic, I wasn't sure about the empty baby carriage. I thought it meant it was possible that Judith was just taken out of there by someone else. I think it's still possible that's the case. Maybe she dies in the comic but who knows if they are sticking with that even if that was the case. However if they intended it to be clear that she was dead, that definitely wasn't.

 

I've seen a few quotes from Kirkman not being clear on Judith's fate, which to me means she's probably still alive. That, plus she didn't show up in the Memoriam on Talking Dead.

 

I don't think people who just watch the show like me would assume she was dead. As a show fan, I just assumed she would wind up being alive next year. That's pretty much how they've set it up.

So if they wanted us to actually think she was dead, they didn't do a very good job with that sequence.

 

I think the confusion comes from that no one would expect them to show her death were she to die, so if she is dead people would expect them to just allude to it like they did.

Really my only doubt about her right now is who's she's with or if she made it on the bus. My guess is Tyrese since I doubt the kids would have just left her there and they saved him.

 

I mean, here's the thing. If you can't show the evidence that a baby has died in a zombie show, then you can't have a baby dying in a zombie show. You can't have it both ways -- wanting to be shocking by having a baby die but not wanting to offend by actually making it clear the baby was going to die. It didn't have to be gruesome. You could have shown Walkers closing in towards the baby's carseat and cut away. Then when Carl and Rick find the empty, bloody carseat, it's clear what happened.

That's what I would have done if I wanted it to be clear. If I wanted it to be possible but not clear, I'd have done this. Now the one way they could make it absolutely clear would be for Carl and Rick to join up with one of their group members in the second half of the season and have that person say that they saw Judith being killed but couldn't stop it. Then the audience would know. Until then, the assumption has to be that she's alive.

I think Tyreese is an option. I also think it's possible Carol was actually still somewhat around and heard the ruckus, swooped in and was able to save her and that this will be a huge point of reconciliation eventually (probably about the time she also reveals that Lizzie is the one who killed those people because she's a freaking psycho). I wouldn't say my money's on that scenario, but I think it's possible. I think it would stretch credibility a bit, but that's not beyond this show's world.

 

Also consider Michonne. She didn't kill the governor but walked away and was AFK for the rest of the ep. Following the weird scene a few episodes prior of her holding the baby, that could have been her priority.

 

Of course they wanted to leave the audience wondering about Judith's death, they have to maintain the suspense and give the audience something to come back for in February. She might have been picked by one of the other kids and is in the bus with them, or Michonne took her with her.

I agree with solojones, If they wanted to show her death, there could have made it clear. So as far as I'm concerned, Judith's still alive, but we'll find out.

 

The governor's death came across a little bit flat to me. I think we needed to see more implied rape on his part to really show what kind of monster he is. Especially toward michonne.

 

I agree that his death was kind of unsatisfying. That's one of the things I meant when I said that it just didn't feel like they executed all the key moments in the episode that well. They got the idea across - Governor is crazed and wants to get revenge/protect his new surogate family, Governor is deep down crazy and hateful, Governor causes havoc, Governor loses last hope when the girl is brought to him dead, Governor gets killed... yes, those things existed in the episode. But it felt so rushed suddenly after a couple weeks of slower build up. And I just felt like with the direction in the chaos of everything that some moments that should have been much more monumental were glazed over. They didn't stick the landing.

 

9 PM Walking Dead is back!!!!!!
10 PM ::Yawn: Walking Dead is back.