KOTOR 2: General Chat & Discussion (NOT for Gameplay help / walkthroughs) - CONTAINS PLOT SPOILERS

hey guys, have you seen the home page of TF.N?? talking about KOTOR 2 and when it would come out. late '04 or early '05...and introducing a wholo new set of characters.

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(Now: Official Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords (KOTOR 2) Discussion Thread)
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(Now: KOTOR 2: Discussion (NOT for Gameplay help / walkthroughs) - CONTAINS SPOILERS)

Super! Now Bioware just needs to drop that tired D&D-esque system and inject some more variety so we're not speaking to the same Twi'lek throughout 80% of the game. And I would hope they put a whole lot more time and effort into squashing bugs this time around.

Every other thing the Twi'leks would say sounded like E chu ta. I just had to laugh.

It was E chu ta *very serious*

I know...but I threw that sounded like in there just in case some crazy person tries to dispute my power

Will it be realesed on PC?

"The November issue of the Official XBox Magazine has a brief mentioning of a KOTOR sequel in the works, as well. Bioware probably won't officially announce this until they have something nice to show off (like a trailer). Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 2 (fictional name) has been greenlighted with the potential for a late 2004 or early 2005 release. Rumor has it that the universe will jump far enough forward in time to help introduce a new batch of characters"

this is the excerpt from the main page.

FOund this on IGN.com, and I know I am not the only one salivating over this........


KOTOR 2
No one can deny the significance of having Knights of the Old Republic exclusively (on consoles anyways) available for the Xbox. Not only is it one of the only RPGs for the big black behemoth, but it's one of the best RPGs to come out in recent memory on any console. And then there's the sales numbers. The game has not only experienced incredible sales, to the tune of 600,000 units and counting, but it's also lead to increased Xbox sales, however minor. System-selling quality indeed.

A logical action to take after such success is to start planning the game's successor, and apparently, KOTOR 2 is under development. A few sources have already reported that the sequel has been greenlighted for a late 2004 or early 2005 release, and that the game's storyline - which is to take place many years after KOTOR's --will include a completely new cast of characters. But what few people are aware of is that the game is not being developed internally at BioWare, but in Orange County at Obsidian Entertainment. (At least that's what we hear.)

What? Who's this Obsidian Entertainment? Never heard of them? Well, search back through the files in your skull and you may remember an announcement made by BioWare back in August. The company announced a commitment to collaborate on future PC and console titles with Obsidian. Here's a quick refresher:

"BioWare is currently in the fortunate position of having more attractive looking opportunities on the table than we're capable of implementing while staying true to our fans' expectations of a quality gaming experience. We think several of these opportunities have the potential for critical and commercial success and are interested in exploring ways in which BioWare can expand its capacity to bring these projects to market," said Dr. Greg Zeschuk, Joint CEO, BioWare Corp.
"BioWare is interested in establishing relationships with credible development studios that have the desire and capability to implement projects consistent with our quality expectations. Obsidian represents a perfect example of this strategy. We're very pleased to have the chance to work with teams which have a demonstrated track record of developing world class titles," commented Dr. Ray Muzyka, Joint CEO, BioWare Corp.

"A collaboration with BioWare gives Obsidian the opportunity to explore development projects on established game franchises with proven technology and brand loyalty from the fan community. This is an excellent opportunity for a new studio looking to make an immediate impact in the market," said Feargus Urquhart, CEO, Obsidian Entertainment, Inc.

For BioWare - a company with a very respectable track record - to hand over the next KOTOR game to another company, it would have to trust them unquestionably. Fortunately for Obsidian, BioWare does. Founded by five industry veterans who've worked on a number of well-known games including Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, Fallout, MDK 2 and Planescape: Torment, BioWare has every reason to trust them, especially considering the number of BioWare titles in the development studio's resume.

Also indicative of the studio's work on KOTOR 2 is the quote from Urquhart where he mentions that Obisidian will be working on "?established game franchises with proven technology and brand loyalty from the fan community," and the company's website where it mentions that "Obsidian Entertainment is currently working on an unannounced role-playing game for PC and console systems." Though both BioWare and Obsidian Entertainment have only responded with "no comments," and have not confirmed nor denied this rumor, all clues point to Obsidian being the developer.

My two cents...First I hope they take their time with this, come up with a masterful plot line like they did last time, and just really outdo themselves the way they did last time.

I hope KOTOR II is made into a MMORPG for Xbox LIVE! Then ill get this... I didnt enjoy KOTOR.

<< Not an RPG fan, just got it because it was SWs >>

dang dude...i love kotor....play it religiously.... hope the second will be just as good.

Will it be on PC?

not that i know of, it'll start on xbox.

Microsoft would be stupid to let this game slip from them. By all means, they should maintain this on the X-Box console.

I just want them to go slow, take their time in developing KOTOR2, making it every bit a masterpiece as the first one was.

i agree. i hate seeing sequels come out too early. i hope it's a whole different story line, and new alien species.

> i hope it's a whole different story line

"and that the game's storyline - which is to take place many years after KOTOR's --will include a completely new cast of characters".

Dare say it will be.

Which conflict/period will the new game be set in? Any clues? Ideas?

No, I don't think any clues other than a setting during the Old Republic have been given in regards to the new timeframe. Meh, I'd say put it around 2000 or 1000 years before Episode I and chronicle the events leading up to/and the Battle of Ruusan (see Pg. 18 in the Essential Chronology). Then, you could fight Durge (not that I particularly like him) .

I just want them to go slow, take their time in developing KOTOR2, making it every bit a masterpiece as the first one was.

I agree wholeheartedly, I think the most important thing is to make sure they have a story that is just as engaging as the original.
Although, if they use the same basic engine, it should take less time to create the game as some of the wok will already be done.

And I do not think they could make it into an mmorpg - I just do not see how you can have such an exquisetly structured, Aristotilean style plot in a multiplayer environment.

And as popular as star wars is, I am not sure there is enough of a market to sustain two mmorpg in the same universe despite the time difference

they should certainly use the same engine with improvemetns wherever they can. THey should certainly make the Turret Gunner and Swoop Racing and the Paazak parts of the game and either change it or do something to it, as I feel the odds of 'you' being a champion Swoop Racer in two straight games a stretch.

Below is what Obi-Wan McCartney PM'd me when a certain major twist takes part at a certain part in the game....I am sure you all know what part I am talking about...

I swear to god you told me this before, but I totally forgot about it. It was just like fight club, I swear, this movie borrows it's stuff fro X-Files, Star Wars, Star Trek, and this twist is like Fight Club/Total Recall.

I thought that was one of the greatest parts of the game, that particular twist that he PMD' me in response to. And I had no problem with the people at BioWare 'borrowing' from Total Recall and Fight Club and so on for the game; I thought it was in the grandest traditions of the Classic Trilogy, where George Lucas 'borrowed' from Wizard of Oz and the Kurosawa films to make his movie.

So, I just want more then anything, I want the folks at BioWare and whomever they subcontract out to read, to watch all manners of movies, to brainstorm and come up with some sort of masterpiece storyline.

ANd I agree, that as much as I loved Bastila and Company, that the best thing they could do is move on with a completely fresh and new cast and story. I got no problem with your character being told the story of the redemption of Revan the same way your character learned of Qel-Drohma and Sunrider and company in KOTOR.

I also think there should be an emphasis away from the pure Jedi mode. One of the problems I have with the new Prequel Trilogy is the overemphasis on the Jedi, to the point that it makes you wonder how a smuggler and a wookie and a gambler and a princess were ever able to stand up to the Sith when the Jedi could not. One of the things I liked about KOTOR was the reliance on non-Jedi, to the point that I grew to admire the non-Jedi more then all save Bastila.

amen amen. i agree. i liked the nonjedi more than the jedi. very well scripted game. i hope the second one will be much better. i think a game set after ROTJ would be pretty cool as well....

Then I finally have a use for this item list for an NJO RPG. Bear in mind that it's nowhere NEAR finished.

Regular ranged weapons, one handed
Hold-Out Blaster
Blaster Pistol
Mandalorian Blaster
DL-44 Heavy Blaster
Bryar Pistol
E-11 Blaster Rifle
Gungan Energy Slingshot
Thud Bug Bag
Blorash Jelly Launcher
Sonic Pistol
Disruptor Pistol
Flame Thrower
Bespin Heavy Pistol
Ssi-ruuvi Paddle Beamer
Chiss Blaster
Chiss Heavy Blaster

Regular ranged weapons, two handed
Blaster Cannon
Light Artillery Blaster
PLX-3m Missile System
Flechette Launcher
Grenade Mortar
Heavy Blaster Cannon
Bowcaster
Disruptor Rifle
Imperial Heavy Repeating Blaster
Imperial Heavy Machine Gun
Concussion Grenade Launcher
Freeze Wave Blaster
Sonic Rifle
Bespin Heavy Repeater
T-23 Repeating Blaster

Unique ranged weapons, one handed
Dash Rendar?s Blaster
Mara Jade?s Blaster
Kyle Katarn?s Bryar Pistol
Boba Fett?s Flame Thrower
Gallandro?s Disruptor
Jango Fett?s Heavy Blasters
Keeramak?s Entechment Tazer

Unique ranged weapons, two handed
Bossk?s Repeating Blaster
General Mohc?s Blaster Cannon
Luwingo?s Arkanian Heavy Repeater

Light armor, regular
Jedi Robe
Jedi Knight Robe
Jedi Master Robe
Reborn Robe (comes in 4 delicious flavors!)
Dark Jedi Robe
Dark Jedi Master Robe
Corellia Combat Suit
Gamorrean Synthetic Leather Armor
Stormtrooper Armor
Clone Trooper Armor
Republic Officer Armor Mesh
Zabrak Combat Suit
Echani Light Armor
Gungan Energy Shield

Medium Armor, regular
Stormtrooper Field Armor
Refined Trandoshan Scale Armor
Krakana Hide
Verpine Fiber Armor
Imperial Royal Guard Uniform
Vratix Insect Hide
Vornskr Hide
Tuk?ata Hide
Yuuzhan Vong Reploid Armor
Starlancer Armor

Heavy Armor, regular
Durasteel Assault Armor
Mandalorian Commando Armor
Mandalorian Assault Armor
Repulsor Armor
Imperial Sovereign Protector?s Uniform
Dark Trooper Armor
Vonduun Crab Armor
Massassi Holy Warrior?s Crest
Terentatek Hide
Rancor Hide
Krayt Dragon Hide
Shadow Trooper Armor
Alusteel Mesh Armor
Star Dragon Hide
Molecular Armor
Quantum Crystal Repulsor Armor
Laminanium Mesh

Light Armor, unique
Mace Windu?s Jedi Robe
Mezhan Kwaad?s Shaper Cloak
Tavion?s Cortosis War Suit

Medium Armor, unique
Emperor Palpatine?s Clone Armor
Darth Revan?s Battle Armor
Tahiri Veila?s Shaper Cloak
Keeramak?s Scale Mail (includes Keeramak?s Entechment Tazer)

Heavy Armor, unique
Jodo Kast?s Mandalorian Battle Armor
Kueller?s Hendanyn Death Plate
Rom Mohc?s Dark Trooper Armor
Desann?s Cortosis Plate
Shok Choka?s Vonduun Crab Armor
Tsavong Lah?s Voxyn Hide Armor
Vergere?s Sekotan Seed Plate

Regular melee weapons, one handed
Stun Baton
Vibroknuckler
Vibroknife
Vibroblade
Vibrosword
Short Sword
Long Sword
Halberd
Ryyk Blade
Lightsaber

Help adding to this would be much appreciated.

The only thing I might possibly consider...is maybe at some point in KOTOR2, that perhaps somehow you come across a deactivated HK-47 again, and get to hear some of his ridiculous story's of things he did between KOTOR1 and KOTOR2. I could not stop laughing after some of those story's he told.

agreed tripleb. loved hk-47

ar yeah that list looks pretty good....definately need to add in the amphistaff and some other yuuzhan vong related weapons.

Anakin Solo's lightsabre should be a "special" melée weapon, as it is different from other lightsabres (having the lambent inside it) and has also become something of an important artifact late in the series...

-Paul

yeah that would work. maybe lord nyax's armor as well.