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Discussion in 'Literature' started by Valiento, Sep 17, 2000.

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  1. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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  2. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    Kyle should be in njo, then made a possibility for the council.
     
  3. Connemara

    Connemara Jedi Knight star 6

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    I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Kyle got a bad deal. I mean, he should be one of the greatest heroes in the NR, since he did just as much as any of them. I mean, Luke defeated, let's see, ummmm...well, he defeated the Emperor a couple of times. And turned over to the Dark Side a couple times. He became a really wimpy Jedi master, who had a bunch of students go over to the dark Side. Kyle defeated one Jedi master, two, since I think Sariss was at least at master level, 5 other jedi, plus did all sorts of other stuff. Now, if you count MotS, Kyle did turn over to the dark side, but I don't count that game, cause it had a crappy story, and crappy graphics.
    But who is being venerated by millions? LUKE SKYWALKER!! Bleh!! It's not fair! Without Kyle, the galaxy would be ruled by a super power-hungry Dark Lord. You could make the same argument about Luke -EXCEPT that it was Lando and han that took down the Death Star, Palpy woulda died even without Luke. So basically, the NR is being totally unfair to this unsung hero. Thatr's why I am Imperials through and through. If WE had a hero like Kyle on our side, his face would be everywhere, his name a household word!
     
  4. Mastadge

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    As long as we're comparing the two...Kyle's parent had a more tragic death the Luke's parent figures...
     
  5. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    Well, i'm sorry to say mots happened, it's part of the official time line.

    I don't really trully think kyle went fully over to the dark side, I think he was being possesed by some strange entity.

    "but I don't count that game, cause it had a crappy story"
    Well, lots stories in the novels are considered crappy stories by many star wars fans, so Mots having a lousy story would be nothing new to the EU.

    "and crappy graphics"
    Well this has nothing to do with the story so very much a lousy excuse. Besides Mots graphics at least in level design are slightly better than JK. That's because it fully uses colored lighting. If we go by cutscenes you would be right about the crappy graphics. Mots graphics are definatly way better than dark forces 1. But graphics have nothing to do with story line, and have no berring on if a story is part of the eu or not.

    I see your new to these Boardes, welcome, nice to meet you. If you haven't checked it out yet, check out the Essential Chronology, it has the most up todate stuff about kyle katarn.
     
  6. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    "As long as we're comparing the two...Kyle's parent had a more tragic death the Luke's parent figures"

    Well, we don't know that yet, we still don't know what happened to Amidala. But the way he kyle Lost his father is more tragic.
     
  7. Mastadge

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    Parent figures...I was referring to Owen and Beru
     
  8. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    Oh, I guess I would agree with you, Being tortured then having your head jammed on a stake is sort of more tragic, then being flambayed.
     
  9. Connemara

    Connemara Jedi Knight star 6

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    Actually, we don't even know if Owen and Beru DIED of fire, they could have been shot first, then burned so their bodies wouldn't be found...I don't know.
    Anyway, I still think MotS is crappy, part of the timeline or not. I mean, the characters in it just acted so faky. Mara Jade is nothing like she was portrayed in MotS. I also found it hard to believe, and a little degrading to think that Kyle, who had faced the dark many times, even facing down his father's brutal murderer, and remained on the Light Side, would just stroll into an abandoned Sith Temple and decide to be a Sith Lord. It just doesn't make sense. I think that games was a failure on LucasArts part to do a sequel to a popular and fantastic game.
    By the way, thanx for the welcome, Valiento. Great to find others who share my interests. All my friends think Star Wars is nerdy. Tey have no idea what they're missing!
     
  10. Mastadge

    Mastadge Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    MotS -- Kyle was like 35, what's with the grey sideburns?

    Really, Mara and Kyle were out of character, Jan was nowhere to be seen. I guess she was out with the NRI or something. The whole point of the game was to play as Mara. Kyle didn't just stroll in and go bad; rather, the dark side and the sith alchemy were so powerful on Dromand Kaas (or whatever the planet's name was) that it was palpable, and he was probably perverted without even realizing it. He didn't walk in and decide to go bad, but the place had a bad influence on him.
     
  11. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    Well, Mots is not a sequel, it's an expansion pack, that is why it's not to the same quality as the story in JK. I don't know about you, but mots seems like 4 mini stories, that happen to tie together.

    "would just stroll into an abandoned Sith Temple and decide to be a Sith Lord"

    Mara out of character?

    Well in most books besides Zahn written books she is out of character. Most authors don't know how to write a character that is not their own correctly. So that can be overlooked, imho.

    Jan Ors was probably on pinnacle base with Mon Mothma defending against the emperor reborn.

    He did not go to the sith temple to become a sith lord, I truly think he he went to destroy it's evil power, or free trapped souls(that is what he did in ruusan at the valley of the jedi.) If you remember the final act, Kyle was rather acting insane making crazy laughs. I still think something at the temple, and evil insane sith spirit took over his body and was using him. Mara just happened to break the sith control over kyle. Kyle was truly sorry for his being controled that he went and joined the first year at the Jedi Academy, to see if he find knowledge beyond the little he had obtained. So that he could become closer to the light, and no longer walk the grey edge.

    What is known about kyle at the academy is in the EC. He also has a cameo appearance in the leviathan comic.
     
  12. Mastadge

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    He didn't go to destroy, but to learn...while he was on those asteroid weapon thingies, he found a reference to a sith temple on Dromuund Kaas (maybe in a library?), and so after he annulled the threat he headed off to investigate.
     
  13. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    Same mistake that Luke made with Emperor Reborn.

    but i still think he was being controled.
     
  14. Darth Muis

    Darth Muis Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Kyle in the NJO would rule! As would Boba Fett in the NJO.
     
  15. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    I couldn't agree more.
     
  16. Mastadge

    Mastadge Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Kyle would; Fett wouldn't -- the guys old, sick, rich and retired -- let the sleeping dog lie. Maybe, maybe it would be okay to let a new guy don the Fett mantle (maybe the same guy from YJK), but please not the same guy.
     
  17. Darth Muis

    Darth Muis Jedi Padawan star 4

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    But it would have to be a sensible story though. Not some lame excuse to bring in Katarn.
     
  18. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    I agree, of course if you have academy being attacked he could just happen to be there drawn into the fight. He may kick ass, he may die but at least he would be standing up for his traditions.
     
  19. Mastadge

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    I'll take any lame excuse, although admittedly a strong story would be better. Also, I think the guy shouldn't be a star of a novel, maybe a cameo, but he should have his own comic series, maybe by the guys who did Darth Maul and Twilight
     
  20. Darth Muis

    Darth Muis Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Jan Duursma and Ron Marz

    Yes, that would be really cool!
     
  21. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    If he shows up it would start off as a cameo. As people get accustomed to him, he then could take on more and more important parts. At least I hope he does, because I want him on the New Council
     
  22. Darth Muis

    Darth Muis Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Yeah, that would be so cool! He is a master, so its possible. He would be combat specialist or something.
     
  23. Mastadge

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    KKFSIH poll of the week:

    If (make the WHEN) we see Kyle again, should he be married to Jan, or should she still be wherever she was in MotS, or should she be dead and he out for vengeance?
     
  24. Darth Muis

    Darth Muis Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I say, married.
     
  25. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    Married, I think after mots they were able see each other again.
     
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