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Kyp Durron vs. Luke Skywalker who's philosophy is best?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Streick, Aug 24, 2001.

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Kyp Durron vs. Luke Skywalker who's philosophy is best?

Poll closed Sep 23, 2001.
  1. Kyp Durron

    37 vote(s)
    43.5%
  2. Luke Skywalker

    48 vote(s)
    56.5%
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  1. Streick

    Streick Jedi Youngling

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    Aug 21, 2001
  2. exar-tull

    exar-tull Jedi Master star 5

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    neither.
     
  3. Grand Admiral Wettengel

    Grand Admiral Wettengel Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Kyp is obviously right. Failure to fight back against the Vong will only lead to enslavement and death.
     
  4. ReaperFett

    ReaperFett Jedi Knight star 6

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    the Kypmeister
     
  5. RogueJeedai

    RogueJeedai Jedi Padawan star 4

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    yeah, Kyp! Rock on...
     
  6. Rebecca191

    Rebecca191 Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    neither.
     
  7. Streick

    Streick Jedi Youngling

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    Come on I need you to get deeper into the issue why you agree and why you don't
     
  8. RogueJeedai

    RogueJeedai Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Its just that I swing with Kyp. His ideas *make more sense* given the circumstances. Jedi are excpected to defend and protect...
    "Offense against evil is defense."
     
  9. Genghis12

    Genghis12 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yep,

    You guessed it - Kyp Durron.
     
  10. Gandalf the Grey

    Gandalf the Grey Jedi Knight star 6

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    No doubt about it. Luke.
     
  11. LordMoltar

    LordMoltar Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Jul 25, 2001
    Kyp. No doubts about it.
     
  12. Jedi_Rawfish

    Jedi_Rawfish Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Kyp. The best defense is a good offense.
     
  13. nightstun

    nightstun Jedi Youngling

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    Luke's philosophy is better for many reasons
    1) Luke looks at the bigger picture where Kyp just looks to here and now
    2)Luke is trying to learn more about the Vong before he sends his people out to fight taking less chances with their lives, Kyp until recently goes out fighting what he doesn't know therefore taking a huge risk and losing many lives that could have been saved
    3)Luke is keeping everything in perspective with both the light and dark side of the force where Kyp is using whatever means necessary to take out the vong including dabbing in the dark side
    4)Luke knows that if they win this war by using the dark side it is no victory for the GFFA will be in worse shape than when it started Kyp doesn't seem to care he just wants to get rid of the Vong no matter what the cost or reprocussions(sp)

    I could go on on why Lukes Philosophies are better but the ones I just gave you should be enough. Those who voted for Kyp must favor the dark side in some way because the choice is clear on who is using their powers correctly and niether is not an option this is between two people and who you believe is closest to the truth

    Nightsun
     
  14. ReaperFett

    ReaperFett Jedi Knight star 6

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    nigthstun, youre doing the annoying thing. Just because I think Kyp is right, doesnt mean I favour the darkside. Thats a stupid, uneducated comment. Just because we disagree with you, doesnt mean we think the darkside is the right way
     
  15. Gandalf the Grey

    Gandalf the Grey Jedi Knight star 6

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    Supporting Kyp against the Vong would be like supporting Stalin against Hitler!


    sigh...
     
  16. nightstun

    nightstun Jedi Youngling

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    well reaperfett if you could explain his philosophies and why they are better I wouldn't have to be an ass but so far all I've read is: Kyp rocks, Kyp no doubt, Kyp offense against evil is defense,

    sorry you feel that way and my point about people must favor the dark side is Luke has done nothing aggressive to make people like him right now becaause he believes it to be wrong he feels that to conquer ones enemy you must know ones enemy and if you know your enemy there are ways of conquering without aggression or death to the wrong party. Kyp on the other hand doesn't want to know his enemy so he goes out and kills any sign of the enemy without knowing if the people he kills could have been good like the shamed ones. anyway Kyp is getting a fan following because he is acting not because he is doing right by the force

    Nightsun
     
  17. ReaperFett

    ReaperFett Jedi Knight star 6

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    OK, Ill be more constructive now, and go through your points:

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    1) Luke looks at the bigger picture where Kyp just looks to here and now
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    Being as weve never read anything from Kyp's perspective, prove this



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    2)Luke is trying to learn more about the Vong before he sends his people out to fight taking less chances with their lives, Kyp until recently goes out fighting what he doesn't know therefore taking a huge risk and losing many lives that could have been saved
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    And by Luke doing nothing, millions more who could be saved are dying. Note how KYP knew the worldships were dying, not Luke



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    3)Luke is keeping everything in perspective with both the light and dark side of the force where Kyp is using whatever means necessary to take out the vong including dabbing in the dark side
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    Hes going the path of the Warrior Jedi. Like so many were in the old days



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    4)Luke knows that if they win this war by using the dark side it is no victory for the GFFA will be in worse shape than when it started Kyp doesn't seem to care he just wants to get rid of the Vong no matter what the cost or reprocussions(sp)
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    See above point. Kyp has differing opinions. That doesnt mean Luke is right, does it? You have two extremes. Both could be better. But only ones opinion will stop billions being sacrificed and whole worlds being destroyed. ANd that is Kyps
     
  18. Jarik

    Jarik Jedi Master star 4

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    I come back from a week's vacation and all the old Kyp threads are dead and there are new ones to take the place. I don't really feel like starting all over again, but I think I will be eventually.
     
  19. nightstun

    nightstun Jedi Youngling

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    ReaperFett the here and now attribute to Kyp comes from his actions, hints from other characters and the speaches he gives

    2 are you saying because Luke is not like Kyp millions of lives were lost if so your thinking like Kyp and not looking at the bigger picture

    3 The Jedi were never warriors they were Knights and like Knights they had quests. Violence is always the last resort for a Jedi

    4 I'm not saying Luke is right I'm saying his Philosophies are better and I believe that's what this thread is over if you read the TITLE.

    Nightsun
     
  20. suncrusherX

    suncrusherX Jedi Youngling star 3

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    jarik-know what you mean, I was gone a day and there's like 10 new ones.


    check my sig!


    luke has no definitive philosphy so just by default kyp's is better.
     
  21. nightstun

    nightstun Jedi Youngling

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    I'm still waiting to read why Kyp's philosophies are better I have proven why Luke's are but as I said before fans like aggression and that's what Kyp is doing therefore grabbing a huge fan base right now and I belive that's the only reason Kyp is winning this poll because honestly if you look at the bigger picture it is obvious that Luke is closer to the truth although I don't thinkeither one is completely right

    Nightsun
     
  22. ReaperFett

    ReaperFett Jedi Knight star 6

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    ok, Ill ask this. What has Luke actually done so far? As in, what that is a great aid to the survival of the galaxy. Remember, thats what a Jedi does, PROTECT the Galaxy.

    Kyp has found out that Worldship's are dying, as well as taking out one being spawned (remember too, as he said, no "innocents" were even onboard). THats a big thing. Meanwhile, Luke has started planning a way the Jedi can stay hidden. That isnt going to win survival
     
  23. Grand Admiral Wettengel

    Grand Admiral Wettengel Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Luke just wants to run off somewhere and hide, since he has become a craven coward.
     
  24. nightstun

    nightstun Jedi Youngling

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    reaperfett What has luke done so far? as I stated earlier he has been learning about the Vong sending out Jedi on recognance(sp) missions so that he and the other jedi can learn more therefore being able to affect the vong in a more purposeful manner in the long run. You are still looking at the smaller picture the here and now while I like luke am looking for answers which in the long run will be more helpful in the long run

    Luke is not hiding from the Vong He must set up this network in order for the Jedi to be succesful against the Vong every good order has a HQ and right now the Jedi don't have one and that's why it is necessary that he sets one up and if you haven't noticed he's having other people help set it up so he can still help the Jedi. If there is no place to work from there is no union and the GFFA will surely fall to the Vong. you have to look at the big picture that's what Thrawn did and it was a key to his successes but he couldn't use the force to guide him whereas Luke does.
    ps. I'm still waiting to here Philosophical points on why Kyp is correct

    oh yea In Rebirth it doesn't state that he is actuaaly the one who discovers the worldships are dying he just states that they are so please don't use that again and furthermore there is no way if Kyp could know if there were innocents on the planet b/c he cannot sense them in the force B/C surely there were innocents because I can't picture the warriors making a new worldship especially without the shamed ones to do their labor.

    Nightsun
     
  25. darth-skycrawler

    darth-skycrawler Jedi Master star 2

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    What annoys me is that people think that the jedi in the TPM were not warrior like. Don't you think that Kenobi does a bit of fighting if he becomes a general. Kenobi and Yoda did not join the rebellion for one simple reason they would have been killed and then Luke would have never redeemed the chosen one. Anakin becomes a jedi master because he kills palpatine without anger. Kenobi becomes a jedi when he kills Maul without anger. Jedi are supposed to fight but they are supposed to do so with out emotion. If the old jedi were alive they would have followed Kyps example.
     
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