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Lit Books A/V Labyrinth of Evil vs. Clone Wars micro series. Which continuity do you like better?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Darth Zannah, Nov 15, 2014.

  1. Dr. Steve Brule

    Dr. Steve Brule Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I admire your unvarnished idealism.

    I think a more likely scenario would have been that Darth Maul was secretly leading the attack and that the Kyber Crystal Superweapon that had been secretly built on Coruscant was being destroyed by Ahsoka while the space battle was going because Palpatine planned to destroy the planet when he was being 'kidnapped' and cool bounty hunter Ahsoka saves the planet and is the real hidden hero of the battle. Also Dooku wasn't really killed, Lucas just didn't have the technology to portray that in 2005 so this is his chance for his secret real vision to finally be revealed.

    Also all the Trade Federation ships would be removed from the space battle scenes.
     
  2. HEDGESMFG

    HEDGESMFG Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Dooku's head was probably going to grow tentacles, attach them to his severed hands, and slip into the background, menacingly staring at us as the evil head/hand creature slithers away.

    It'll be back as the key villain of episode IX, mark my words.
     
  3. Dante1120

    Dante1120 Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    I'd allow it.
     
  4. Zorrixor

    Zorrixor Chosen One star 6

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    You missed out the opening scene where Cad Bane is the one that 'kidnaps' Palpatine.

    Once and for all settling the question: Yes, Cad Bane does contradict EU.
     
  5. Sniper_Wolf

    Sniper_Wolf Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Ten years gone? [face_hypnotized] I remember reading this hardcover at a debate tournament in high school, amusingly enough in the same town I live in now.

    I have always preferred the animated series. Liked it more when I was sophomore in high school, liked it more now as an overly pretentious idiot babbling in film classes. Why, you inquire?

    The LOE/CW synoptic problem is one of the few times the fan base is seeing, outside of the film novelizations, two competing interpretations of one event by two different mediums. This is important because Tartakovsky is a talented animator, and Luceno is passable, at best, as a prose writer.

    If you are looking for an extrapolation of why I bemoan Luceno's continuity porn then look at the writing in Labyrinth of Evil. Compare my much quoted criticism of the Sienar Fleet Systems backstory versus Anakin and Obi-Wan's diversion during the Battle of Coruscant. Luceno takes a full page to detail an insignificant piece of minute in the EU. Later, during the emotional climax of the novel, Luceno cross-cuts to Anakin on irrelevant planet with little paragraph or two long chapters. You know, the part in the novel where Anakin uses Force Scream knock down the building/room/whatever when trying to find Dooku. Not using a bomb, exploding computer, lightsaber, but his frakking voice to destroy a durasteel structure. Possible meta joke about Hayden's acting aside, I highly doubt Luceno is attempting a James Ellroy minimalist style. Luceno's extraneous info dumps are not depth. They are bloat, something a competent editor should have cut.

    Now when we approach the third season of Clone Wars, remember the episodes are only twelve to fifteen minutes long, roughly half the length of a regular half-hour drama. Tartakovsky is good enough to tell a coherent story within these limitations. Yes, Clone Wars is stylized, and I always enjoyed the retcon that the Windu Dantooine sections are illustrations told through the young boys point-of-view. Remember, continuity inquisition, these tie-in stories are chiefly for play. Tartakovsky played a little loose with the rules, yet outside of the hardcore minority of the fandom, the show was received well enough. Alas, try not breaking your brain for once over spilled milk. [face_coffee]
     
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  6. fett 4

    fett 4 Chosen One star 5

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    Leaving aside the Labyrinth comparison, Genndy's Clone Wars had something TCW did not have. A good ending and round off to all stories in it and a perfect lead in to Revenge of the Sith.

    TCW did nothing to any of the above with the possible exception to Savage Opress
     
  7. darkspine10

    darkspine10 Chosen One star 8

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    That's because the microseries wasn't cancelled halfway through production.
     
  8. spicer

    spicer Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    It also didn't waste any time with irrelevant story arcs and characters.
     
  9. fett 4

    fett 4 Chosen One star 5

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    They were not cancelled midway through. They were contracted and had 5 years (longer than many shows) it was just Dave's arrogance thinking the show would go on for ever and as Spicer mentioned wasting time on boring and irrelevant story arcs.
    Genndys had a beginning, a middle and an end, which is why it will hold up long term.

    Many shows that start off strong but don't have the last two never hold up long term.
    Xfiles is a prime example and Game of Thrones (due to the author) is another potential example.
     
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  10. darkspine10

    darkspine10 Chosen One star 8

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    I think that the Clone wars had good chance of a brilliant ending, wrapping up all the major plot strands. Ventress's end would have been covered, Mandalore and Maul would have been completed, and Ahsoka's fate would finally happen.

    Also, I'll admit that the Clone Wars had a few arcs that were rather irrelevant to the larger narrative of the war. But I rarely found them boring.

    Episodes like Nomad Droids, which was a hilarious homage to Gulliver's Travels and the Wizard of Oz. Mortis which delved deeper than ever before into the prophecy of the Chosen One. All of the Maul and Mandalore arcs could be considered irrelevant, but they were among some of the most complex stories in the series, with by far the biggest payoff.

    Seeing Darth Maul and Death Watch team up the the Hutts and Black Sun was completely irrelevant. But Amazing
     
  11. TrandoJedi

    TrandoJedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I adore the micro-series and LOE, I saw the micro-series long before reading LOE so I suppose nostalgia may cause the micro-series to prevail. I loved the micro-series Grievous so much (well pre-ROTS Grievous was pretty great all around I suppose). I even liked Mace crushing his chest, gave a good explanation to me as to why Grievous was coughing and cowardly in ROTS. Of course Georgie changed that by having him like that in TCW as well. I like the over the top villains and crazy Force powers in the micro-series as used to think a Jedi at their peak could be capable of such things.
     
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  12. Saga Explorer

    Saga Explorer Jedi Knight star 3

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    I like both,but overall speaking Labyrinth of Evil has the upper hand here because Clone Wars was based on the previous draft of this novel.
    We have yet to see the canonical The Clone Wars iterpratation of this event.:-B
     
  13. hairymuggle

    hairymuggle Jedi Knight star 2

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    Oh gosh I love them both so much. I would hate to lose either LoE's Obi wan and Anakin friendship or Microseries' Shaak Ti battle. LoE very narrowly wins because I'm a sucker for more Obi-Wan.
     
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  14. Baron_Papanerd

    Baron_Papanerd Jedi Master star 4

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    I love both the Clone Wars Micro-Series, and Labrynth of Evil. I thought both versions of the kidnapping of Palpatine were very well done; I just wish we could have gotten Filloni's Clone Wars version of this event. Too bad Disney canceled The Clone Wars before it connected to ROTS, and gave us the cringe inducing Rebels Series instead.
     
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  15. JediMatteus

    JediMatteus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    So why is rebels cringe inducing ?
     
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  16. Baron_Papanerd

    Baron_Papanerd Jedi Master star 4

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    1. Stealing Luke's Storyline for Ezra.
    2. Sabine and her spray paint.

    I could go on, but I don't feel like typing it out. This is just my opinion though; and I respect the fact that a lot of people like it. [face_peace]
     
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  17. vong333

    vong333 Force Ghost star 5

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    LOE and the micro series are the best for me, they had an ending and it made sense. Heck, LOE tied in well with the ROTS novel and the micro series why stylized was accurate compared to the non-ending but let met give you a comic book here, a novel there, a half arse not finished arc and tell you how important it is along with a limited season 6 . Yep okay
     
  18. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Though I never got around to laying it down line by line, I'm still convinced the three versions can be merged together- it just requires certain details from LOE to be offscreen/not seen in the specific camera angles used and for elements from the cartoon and comic to be inserted between the lines of the novel. That the comic tried to blend content from the other two sources suggests there is enough crossover there to pursue.

    It wouldn't be the cleanest continuity fix ever, but it likely would have worked.
     
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  19. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    I know that Ryder Windham's The Rise & Fall of Darth Vader at least, incorporated the cartoon in bits - Anakin & Obi-Wan are at Nelvaan when they get the "Palpatine's been kidnapped" message.
     
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  20. smoothkaz

    smoothkaz Jedi Knight star 2

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    I prefer the microseries myself, but that's just me. Technically neither version is more valid - it's all up to what you prefer. I may have preferred LOE had I read it first, who knows? And as many have said, it isn't impossible to incorporate elements from both - it's just not clean. But the EU was never clean anyway.

    I feel like the microseries may have more merit based on the fact that it was GL's idea to have it lead directly into ROTS, but that's probably irrelevant.
     
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  21. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Technically the micro series was based/adapted from the outline provided to Luceno for LOE- and Luceno had extra insight from Lucas via Stover. So LOE would have more merit if I've is basing it on the amountoif GL influence.
     
  22. Saga Explorer

    Saga Explorer Jedi Knight star 3

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    I like this explanation : Star Wars Clone Wars showed some battles .(wars)
    : Star Wars THE Clone Wars showed the period of the Clone Wars.
    (What overall happened in this period )
     
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  23. Zeta1127

    Zeta1127 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    No it didn't, otherwise where is Operation Durge's Lance or the Foerost campaign?
     
  24. basiloregano3004

    basiloregano3004 Jedi Knight

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    I like both, but the microseries should be treated more as a "condensed", stylised version of LoE.

    It should be noted that the Nelvaan mission happens before Tythe according to New Essential Chronology, even though the editing makes it seem like Nelvaan is happening at the same time as the Battle of Coruscant. They even alluded to this on the DVD commentary ("See, it looks like these two stories are happening at the same time, but they don't really link up until the very end", i.e. when they get the call from Mace on the cruiser).

    It should also be assumed that the cruiser scene took place after Tythe, and Anakin was merely making tweaks to his robotic arm, rather than replacing it altogether (otherwise he would've gone through the Tythe battle missing his robo-arm, even though the text says he still has it).
     
  25. Dr. Steve Brule

    Dr. Steve Brule Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I rewatched the full micro-series for the first time in years last week, one thing that made me laugh was that the episodes on Hypori featured a desert world with a crashed star destroyer surrounded by other ship wreckage.