Last news topic from main page, Orson Scott....

I think it's as presumptive as Card is about AOTC that people who post here have never had or will never have a best seller, therefore the opinions of those who post here don't have a validity that Card's do.

Card being a bestseller does not make him an authority on anything. Nor would it anyone else here who might be a published author.

Darb

 

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When was the last time he created an immortal epic on par with the Illiad?

this is a joke right?

oh, and i find it dificult to disagree with most of what Card had to say. no use for him as a writer of course.

 

The Iliad? I once tried to make that into a film. Some advice: Don't bother. What a nightmare.

Orson Scott Card: OK writer. One great book. Couple of good ones. Lots of dull ones.

Does it matter what his opinion is? No. There aren't that many great space operas around these days in SF literature. More's the pity.

 

"Orson Scott Card: OK writer. One great book. Couple of good ones. Lots of dull ones."

thanks for your OPINION.

 

I was being clever, you see, by giving my OPINION of his work as if it was fact. Mine's as worthwile as his, you see?

Christ, it's like a nursery school in here. Do I have to explain EVERYTHING?

 

Hell no it was no joke.

 

I love Card's books (not quite as much as I love SW, but he's still incredible), and the AICN report regarding the battles he's having to fight to get a decent adaptation of Ender's Game on the screen, made me see red. I hope his will and common sense prevails in the end.

However... There's so much needless vitriol in his review of AOTC that I can't help but picture him thinking "Hey, my works are better than Lucas'! Why do I have to jump through hoops to get my oh-so-superior project made?" I'm no psychologist, but I'm chalking his rant up to envy. He feels Lucas is not as deserving of success as he is, and begrudges him not only his success, but his total independence from the Hollywood monster, which he could use right about now.

 

BWAHAHAHAHA, 'total independance from the hollywood monster'

I love it! So true, so true.

 

All this endless AOTC bashing by the media is getting a little old. Check that: a LOT old!

 

Tolkien>Card.

I'm amazed that someone who has apparently written worlds with such depth can be so shallow when it comes to a universe that easily rivals the ones he has created. If I were him and noticed that it has worked for millions of fans over the years, I'd ask myself what I'm missing, and that perhaps others are seeing something I'm not.

 

I agree, he should be reviewing himself, not Lucas.

But what does this mean

'Tolkien>Card'?

 

It's a shorthand way of saying Tolkien's better than Card.

 

The worst Orson Scott Card book is still better than the best Star Wars EU novel. He's not a great writer, but he's among the best by science fiction standards which are, admittedly, low.

But still I value his opinion as a writer, even a genre writer, in his critique of AOTC's dialogue which is among the worst I have ever heard in a mainstream Hollywood movie.

 

But still I value his opinion as a writer, even a genre writer, in his critique of AOTC's dialogue which is among the worst I have ever heard in a mainstream Hollywood movie since the original trilogy.

I hope you don't mind my clarifying your post.

 

The worst Orson Scott Card book is still better than the best Star Wars EU novel.

Err...

 

I never had any intention of ever reading Ender's Game,or any of his other books,and I think I'll keep it that way,based on what he's said about AOTC.

 

Don't forget Timothy Zahn. He's not your run of the mill writer.

 

I saw Card once speak to students in the Brigham Young University film department about his troubles getting Ender's Game made into a movie. Much of the time was spent bashing Quentin Tarantino and calling him a hack. It made me think he was either very frustrated or resentful of Tarantino's success. He criticized the "Royale with Cheese" speech in Pulp Fiction for being banal and not carrying the story along.
He went on to criticize all sorts of movies for strange nitpicky reasons. When I read his comments on AOTC all I thought was "here he goes again."

 

I couldn't agree more Knightwriter. Tolkien is another master of the epic.


As for Card, he sounds like a real jerk. Why should anybody care what some sci-fi writer thinks about SW for gawds sake?? That's like a soap writer mocking Card for lame romances in his books.

 

"his critique of AOTC's dialogue which is among the worst I have ever heard in a mainstream Hollywood movie since the original trilogy."

Ha, ain't it the tooth?

 

Actually, I'll take Card over Tolken any day when I want to have fun reading.

If you think Card is boring other than Enders Game, then maybe what you are looking for is a lot of big action scenes. He doesn't write that way. He writes more like a mystery writer putting pieces together into a big puzzle for you to figure out. His stories are very interesting for those who are looking for the mental challenges rather than the physical ones.
Ender is a hard book to make into a movie. There is no way fans will be satisfied with it.

(Try "Homebody" for a well thought out thriller.)

I also think that his criticisms of AOTC are mostly unfounded, but a fan of SW sees things different than a non-fan.

It also deals with the suspension of disbelief which I see a lot of people don't have these days. It's hard when you know too much about a field, to be able to just enjoy it anymore. Since so many people know about SFX techniques these days, its harder to suspend the diebelief and just enjoy them.

Look at old monster movies. People used to think they were actually realistic, but when you look at them now, you can instantly see the bluescreen work, or what is a model and what is not.

It is a sign of the electronic age we live in.

 

I think Card is largely living in a fantasy world about "Ender's Game" being made into a movie. I think he talks about it constantly with the hope of drumming up support, but it is by no means a sure thing that the movie will ever happen.

The OT scripts had a much higher writing quality than the PT. Lucas had better help from the ANH and ESB scripts than he got for TPM (none) and for AOTC (Hales - worse than no help at all). Luckily, Hales is back for Episode 3, ensuring that it will be as bad as, and therefore entirely in line with, the rest of the PT.

 

Again, Jaba, why do you post here? What movies do you like? I guess you can cross "bash SW" off of your list for the day....what a waste....you wouldn't know what it's like to be a fan if your life depended on it....I know, go ahead and take another shot...it won't change the fact that you must tear others down to make yourself feel better...

 

Well, (side-stepping a little brush fire erupting above me)- wasn't there talk of "Enders Game" being made into a movie a couple of years ago (just before TPM was released), starring none other than 'lil Jake Lloyd? Perhaps the deal fell through and OSG is drinking a juice made with some very, very acidic grapes

 

ya know,

if I was card and wanted to get my book made into a movie I would be slightly more diplomatic in my crtiques. Especially since GL has lots of money and also owns a little company called ILM.

Then again it's possible he tried this route already, was shot down and is now a little bitter about it all.