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Discussion in 'Communications' started by Jay, Aug 16, 2002.

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  1. mac-nut Jedi Grand Master

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    Apr 14, 2001
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    It's good that consultation with the AC was part of the review of that comment. With that idea disposed of, there will be no drama regarding it. :D and I think that was the main point of the last occasion for drama. :D

    ermmmmm, will we have colors and/or titles for the AC members, so we can find them more easily online?
  2. Darth_Dagsy Manager Emeritus

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    Nov 18, 2000
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    Alright, jp, I was just going on what the update said. I see your point about cutting out the chitchat and spam. My apologies.

    Mac-Nut, it isnt just that a few individuals cant find topics that they like...its more that there are getting to be less and less actual topics...more and more social threads, more and more non-discussion threads.
  3. mac-nut Jedi Grand Master

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    ermmmmmm, isn't that what the JCC is? just a place to talk about anything else? and it's nice to be able to talk, discuss, slice, dice, in a relaxed social atmosphere? ?[face_plain]
  4. Darth_Dagsy Manager Emeritus

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    But if you want to talk and discuss, you need actual topics for discussion.

    It seems like more and more threads are about nothing at all. Social threads dont actually have topics. A lot of threads are just started so that people can post away, without any real point.

    These things are better left in AIM chat rooms and the like.

    Discuss, talk...but actually have subjects and topics for discussion.
  5. mac-nut Jedi Grand Master

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    Dags, IMs are nice, but alot of us like to keep IMs private, for private conversations, not conversations at large for a wider larger audience. Even, shower habits is a topic of discussion I found, uh, interesting. :D :D :D
  6. AmazingB Manager Emeritus

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    Jan 12, 2001
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    Dagsy, if things aren't to your liking, why don't you start posting topics and start discussions that interest you? Very often, and I'm sure you've seen this, people mimic other types of threads they see starting up. That's why there's all the love advice threads, the party/social threads, and the appreciation threads. Why not start up a thread discussing something of interest to you and see if other people get the idea?

    Amazing.
  7. Darth_Dagsy Manager Emeritus

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    Amazing...it isnt as easy as it sounds....set a good example and people will follow. Sounds easy, but in reality, pretty damned difficult.

    Its like asking a 15yo to ignore the trends his friends follow, and to follow the example set by a 30yo with responsibilities.

    You might get the odd kid that will straighten up and fly right...but mostly, they will ignore anything like that, and keep on playing around.

    Members follow the party/social threads, because they dont have to think...they can just post the first thing that comes to their head...regardless of whether or not it is anything worthwhile.
    That is what you find in a helluva lot of threads....people dont want to post anything thoughtful...its too difficult.

    A good example wont help them. They will just ignore it and keep playing around.
  8. mac-nut Jedi Grand Master

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  9. AmazingB Manager Emeritus

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    "Sounds easy, but in reality, pretty damned difficult."

    I don't disagree at all. But it couldn't hurt to try.

    Amazing.
  10. KitFist0 Force Ghost

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    Nov 10, 2001
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    > No posting? Thats crazy...then comms becomes the Announcements forum. You cant repress the members rights to have their say.

    That was not what was proposed at all.

    What was proposed was that members could START topics, but only Mods could reply - thus eliminating the chats and the drama that a good percentage of Comms threads degenerate into. Communications between Mods and members would still happen. And after all a member who starts a thread is rarely satisfied until a mod has taken the time to answer.


    Clarity. Something needed in any body / council.
  11. Darth_Dagsy Manager Emeritus

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    Amazing, I do my best to post responsibly in the JCC...try to set the high standards. Mostly my posts get ignored there.

    For threads...well, I dont start many threads...its not my sort of thing.

    But the last thread I started was based on a news article that showed a European President that was going to completely change the names of day and months...well, it got all of one reply...and that was a confused member.

    The members following the trends want easy posting. Setting a good example...well, members find it is easier to ignore.
  12. KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus

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    Nov 6, 2001
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    I too want threads filled with substance and not fluff. However, the majority of people don't seem to want that. I don't know if you can go around changing people's desires and mindsets for them.
  13. Darth_Dagsy Manager Emeritus

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    You can try to set a good example, and see if they want to follow.

    But the question the administration have to ask themselves, as I have said before, is whether they want the JCC (and the JC as a whole...the chain is only as strong as its weakest link) to be about quality or quantity.

    If its quantity...which is the current situation, they can leave it alone. But they will just have the better posters leaving, leaving only the poor posters, but plenty of them.

    On the other hand, they can choose quality, lose a few members, but build a stronger JCC and JC.

    Its up to the administration. You cant make them post responsibly if they dont have to. You can, however, make them post responsibly if you dont give them the environment to post stupidly.
  14. mac-nut Jedi Grand Master

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    Dags, that thread about the president would do best in the senate, as it is of serous substance. I accept the JCC as fluff. some fluff is interesting. why, I'm having an excellent discussion with a JCer who had posted in the JCC.
  15. Darth_Dagsy Manager Emeritus

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    On the contrary, it wasnt a serious thread. Plus it was current events, which is a JCC thing.

    Dont forget...you can have lighthearted discussions in the JCC. You can have joke threads.

    My point is that the threads which are solely social/party, or threads that have no actual topic...well, why do we need them?

    If you are having a great discussion in a thread that has no actual topic...well, wouldnt it be better in an IM chat?

    But to 'accept' the JCC as for fluff...well, thats sort of saying that it doesnt serve any real pupose, so lets just throw any bits and pieces in there.

    It can be better than that. The JC needs it to be better than that.

    Why not make it a productive forum, a thriving forum? Its best for the JC if it isnt just dead wood.
  16. KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus

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    I think this is where you and I disagree. I see those things as being part of what comes with a community, particularly a community the size of the JC. You may not see the point of social threads and such (and I'm not saying I do either necessarily), but some people do. It serves a purpose for some and keeps them here, and one could say that there is substance in those threads sometimes. If I had to name a point for them, I would say that the point is the community and having a good time (although that's subjective, of course).

    It's hard for me to articulate just what I feel about it, and what I really mean.
  17. Jotun Denal Force Ghost

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    Wow. I've actually become TEH DRAMA!!1!11! for once. :cool:
  18. mac-nut Jedi Grand Master

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    I'm proud they care enough to post their fluff here in the JCC, whatever subject, however light, however sad, but they feel comfortable enough to come and voice their thoughts. It sure is better than cruising the wrong places, being with bad company, drinking underage, smoking underage, doing illegals, etc, etc, etc. As a parent, I'm glad they're home, parent's, their own, friend's, family's home, and safe.
  19. Darth_Dagsy Manager Emeritus

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    mac-nut, lets not start resorting to what else they could be doing with their time. Just as you note bad things, they could also be studying, helping the elderly or whatever. Socialising on the JCC could be keeping them from that too. I dont think that argument is any good here.

    But if you look, what you are calling 'fluff' (whatever subject, however light, however sad, but they feel comfortable enough to come and voice their thoughts)...well, sad topics...light topics....they are topics of discussion. Thats just fine by me. Its the threads that have no topics that arent so fine by me.

    Knight, I guess we will disagree on some of this. I will say that we dont need to do away with all social threads. But we can certainly stand to cut down the number we have.
  20. mac-nut Jedi Grand Master

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    well, dags, then the mods could lock the threads with nothing but socializing, too much fluff, borderline trolling, etc. as members, we could PM them with the urls, and let them make the call.
  21. KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus

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    Nov 6, 2001
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    I almost added in a "moderation in all things" type line, but didn't. I agree that there may be too many social threads, and cutting down on them may not be a bad idea at all.
  22. Darth_Dagsy Manager Emeritus

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    Nov 18, 2000
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    Well thats it, mac, at the moment there isnt any real policy on these things. I've seen one JCC Mod make the call on one thread, but leave another. Another JCC mod doesnt even make any calls, unless something is blatantly redundant of in the wrong forum...spam/fluff/whatever doesnt even come into it.

    There hasnt been any consistency since farraday left.

    Thats one of the two things I am pushing for in the JCC...a good clear policy that cuts the crap, and the mods can follow without taxing their judgement.

    The other issue is mod conduct..but I have said plenty about that elsewhere.
  23. Jotun Denal Force Ghost

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    Nov 4, 1999
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    God people, just let the JCC continue on the way its been operating for the past few years and leave it be. Just concentrate on locking threads which are clearly redundant/spam topics and ban the usual trolls who wreakS havoc in the forums. You've already taken out a large portion of the serious discussin by creating the JC Senate and The Ampitheater, so please stop butchering the place.



    Oh, and even when farraday was a Mod, the JCC still had the exact same problems it has today...
  24. KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus

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    Nov 6, 2001
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    You've already taken out a large portion of the serious discussin by creating the JC Senate and The Ampitheater, so please stop butchering the place

    I don't see that as butchering the JCC. If people were less apt to spam and more inclined to post serious or substantial thoughts, it would be different than it is. Neither the Senate or the Amphitheatre have a corner on the market of serious discussion.
  25. Jotun Denal Force Ghost

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    Nov 4, 1999
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    The JCC appears to only be SPAM now due to the creation of such forums as The Senate, but as it has been said many times, Spam is only in the eye of the beholder. What may be Spam to one person, may be a fun topic to another. Once The Senate was created, the JCC lost whatever sense of intelligence or as many members call it "worthwhile" topics, the forum once possessed. The only thing that the Community is good for now is socialization, entertainment and humor. I don?t understand why so many people complain about the JCC not having enough ?quality? topics, when we aren?t even allowed to discus ?serious? topics such as world events or politics in the first place. The Community is meant to be a place for fun- if someone is looking for serious discussion, go to the Senate or Amphitheater.
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