Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode VII and Beyond' started by Serpico Jones, Nov 20, 2012.
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I liked Jumper.
Star Wars is already more or less ubiquitous. I dont think a lot of films will "cheapen" it. Its already pretty shameless, lets face it.
That's not a criticism, it's just the way it is.
This post is so venomous and over-the-top, I just can't let it go in spite of my best instincts to turn away from it with a quiet, ironic smile. I haven't seen Darling Companion, but it's unavoidable it did incredibly poorly at the box office, taking in less than $1 million on a $12 million budget and garnering a 21% Fresh rating on RT. Ouch. Dreamcatcher (2003) was largely written by perennial fan fave William Goldman (Princess Bride, Butch Cassidy, etc.) but no one is lambasting Goldman for his failure in this effort (which boasts only minimal script tweaks from director Kasdan), and at least Dreamcatcher recouped its budget. Going back further, Wyatt Earp drags a bit but it's a damn fine film, IMO, and while it didn't recoup its investment it was nominated for several awards. Kasdan did not write French Kiss. The worst reviews of Mumford are that it's unmemorable, but critics never considered it to be the "atrocity" Mr. Bugle accuses it, and all these other films, of being. Maybe the man has lost his touch, but IMO that remains to be seen, and his worst offense seems to be that he can't strike on an engaging concept. That's all in Lucas's hands, and I doubt that Kasdan has lost his ability to write witty, firecracker dialogue a-la Raiders and ESB when provided with a solid foundation to work on. Time will tell, of course, but in the meantime I for one will reject the kind of hateful, doom-portending screed Mr. Bugle delivers above. If Kasdan (or Kinberg) fails to turn in a dynamic or effective script, the producers will call him on it, ditch his material and employ someone else.
Dreamcatcher is probably the worst movie with the best creative team of any film I've ever seen. It's kind of astounding.
Agreed. It is the only film I have ever gotten up and walked out of. Ever. And I love some awful, awful films that barely qualify as cinema... but, the astounding disparity between creative team vs product was mind numbing.
THR has issued a follow-up report stating that Kasdan and Kinberg's projects might end up being spin-offs rather than Episodes VIII and IX as was originally reported, but, either way, it appears as if the two men will be involved with the SW franchise in some fashion going forward.
Pfft, AOTC > TPM
Episode I is no peach either, but it's better than Clones.
TPM has like 3 good bits in it - Podrace, Maul Fight & Naboo Ground/Space Battle.
AOTC has far more - Coruscant chase, Jango Fett vs Obi Wan on Kamino & in space, Geonosis arena & land Battle, Dooku vs Obi Wan & Anakin, Dooku vs Yoda.
None of the PT films are bad, they just aren't great. Considering what they had to live up to in terms of the OT movies, it's not suprising people were disappointed.
Once the saga gets silly and moves away from the skywalkers, I'm gone.
None of those scenes in AOTC are all that great. Some of them are even laughable.
And yes, they are bad. If your characters are lame, the movie crumples. And they were lame indeed.
These are all subjective opinions. Mine is that TPM and AOTC are equal to each other, and ROTS is better than them. ANH and TESB are better than ROTS and equal to each other. Then ROTJ is equal to ROTS.
That goes without saying. Is it really necessary for us all to attach "IMHO" to everything we say? Of course it's opinion.
Regardless of whether you like the prequels or not, they were less critical to the future of the franchise. They're an origins story that doesn't feature the main characters from the OT (for the most part). This time around, we're going to have a direct sequel to the said classics with (presumably) the beloved iconic characters. The complaints about the PT would seem like nothing compared to what might happen if the fans feel the characters were somehow cheapened or changed in some bad way (there's also a potential controversy involving EU). Not to mention, ROTJ wraps up practically everything so coming up with an original story with new characters that's not simply a rehash of the OT but still feels like Star Wars is going to be extremely challenging. The sequel trilogy will really determine whether Disney has made a good business decision by acquiring Lucasfilm.
No, adding "IMHO" is not necessary, but how one presents their opinion makes a difference. Saying something like "And yes, they are bad" just sounds argumentative and could be construed as saying "you're wrong and your opinion sucks."
Well, if you express your opinion that differs with someone else's, that is what you're saying if you boil it down. You can respect their opinion, sure, but if you don't agree with it, you think they're wrong & if you offer yours you're stating that. So what? That's nothing to get your hackles up over. People can't speak frankly anymore without offending someone.
I also have a problem when people use the word "objectively" when describing their perceived inferiority of the PT. I don't think they realise what it makes them sound like.
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God, seriously, THIS.
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Then again, Lawrence Kasdan may NOT write Episode 8:
Instead, he and Kinberg may be doing other Star Wars movies that aren't part of the prequel trilogy. It appears that the Star Wars movie universe may go the way of The Avengers and get spread out into a very wide franchise.
Interesting... so it could still be a trilogy, or there could be a main Skywalker trilogy and then, say.... a bounty hunter movie? Like a 1313 sort of situation? I would love to see other areas of the universe explored like that.