Legalisation of marijuana in Canada

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Legalisation of marijuana in Canada

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  1. KitFist0 Force Ghost

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    It's pointless Malkie, she has her nose stuck to the tree and can't see the forest ;)
  2. malkieD2 Ex-Manager and RSA

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    lol - I've never heard that expression before :)

    I liked my "you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink" that I used a few posts back.

    malkie
  3. KitFist0 Force Ghost

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  4. Admiral_Thrawn60 Jedi Youngling

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    Some people are raised to believe something is true. They never question it. They just accept it as a fundamental truth, and refuse to consider other people's beliefs, no matter how well supported they are. That's why debates over religion or whether one person's country is better than another never accomplish anything. I believe that is what is happening here.

    LL, I would really appreciate it if you'd just think about what we're saying. It's obvious that you were taught at a very young age that drugs are bad. It is a scientific fact that marijuana is not like other drugs. I really don't feel that you're respecting our beliefs at all. You don't even seem to read our posts. Look at malkie, for example. You thought he was saying the opposite of what he was actually saying. You just keep posting over and over what is your opinion, you accuse us of going off topic when we're just trying to explain something to you, and you post statistics and articles that are clearly irrelevant.
  5. Lady_Lucas Jedi Master

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    For you to say something is irrelevant, you are just putting in your opinion. I am posting research and facts, which happens to be extremely relevant. I studied it on my own. Were you taught pot was good for you? Wow I wonder what Canadian school you went to!

    The only three people that oppose me on these boards have very little science to back themselves up. Many agree with me,(see earlier posts). I think you guys are stuck in a pot plant with no way to see past your LUVVV of marijuana. Obviously there has been very good reasons pot has been illegal for so long. It will continue to be which puts me on the side of law. If you use it you are BREAKING the law. You are the ones being blind. Yes, abuse is soooo much fun!!

    Yes Malksi boy check out the Department of Justice web page it says.."cannabis and in parenthesis(marijuana)" So yes it DOES say Cannabis!

    Anyways let's see some HARD FACTS from governmental agencies which PROVE POT(marijuana) IS IN NO WAY harmful... Yeah right. GOOD LUCK!

    Yours lovingly :) -LL
  6. Admiral_Thrawn60 Jedi Youngling

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    For you to say something is irrelevant, you are just putting in your opinion. I am posting research and facts. Which happen to be extremely relevant. I studied it on my own. Were you taught pot was good for you? Wow I wonder what Canadian school you went to!

    My opinion? I assure you, my statement was not based on opinion. It was based on the fact that your "facts" are actually outdated data that lumps cannabis into the same category as cocain or heroin. We want specific information about cannabis.

    The only three people that oppose me on these boards have very little science to back themselves up.

    The irony in that statement is laughable. I'm sure the guy with the PhD is going to resent that.

    I think you guys are stuck in a pot plant with no way to see past your LUVVV of marijuana.

    I have only tried it, and that was over a year ago. I doubt malkie has done it at all.

    Obviously there has been very good reasons pot has been illegal for so long.

    Since when is ignorance a very good reason? Studies had not been done. It was assumed that just because it gets you high, it's as bad as coke.

    It will continue to be which puts me on the side of law. If you use it you are BREAKING the law. You are the ones being blind. Yes, abuse is soooo much fun!!

    It will not continue to be because the CANADIAN governments does not see it as being wrong. You were raised in a different society and do not understand us.

    Anyways let's see some HARD FACTS from governmental agencies which PROVE POT IS IN NO WAY harmful... Yeah right. GOOD LUCK!

    Read the Canadian Senate report.
  7. Lady_Lucas Jedi Master

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    Why don't you read the WHOLE report from the Department of Justice?
  8. Admiral_Thrawn60 Jedi Youngling

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    How about you just give me the general points instead? Give me quotes, though. Full sentances. None of that slanted stuff. It most likely just says "We must fight liberalism wherever it rears its ugly head" anyway, just not in those words.

    You're an extreme conservative. Moreover, you're a business student. Not a scientist. You don't understand us at all, and until you do, this will get nowhere.
  9. Lady_Lucas Jedi Master

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    Oh I see kind of like the senate of Canada saying" we'll fight conservitivism wherever it rears its ugly head" [face_laugh]
  10. Admiral_Thrawn60 Jedi Youngling

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    Not quite. If you read the senate report, you will see that it is based on scientific facts and the results of studies conducted in nations where it is illegal, and in nations that have legalized.
  11. malkieD2 Ex-Manager and RSA

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    Lady_Luck you are now getting beyond a joke. Do you realise how stupid you sound. There are several people here posting perfectly adequate evidence on the beneficial effects of cannabis, and its lack of harmful effects to the body or negative effects on society. CAN YOU NOT SEE THEM?

    I am posting research and facts, which happens to be extremely relevant.

    no you haven't. You have not posted a single piece of valid evidence

    The only three people that oppose me on these boards have very little science to back themselves up.

    excuse me ? what were all the scienific journal articles I posted then ? CAN YOU NOT SEE THEM? your comment is the single most ridiculous thing I have ever seen on the boards.

    Obviously there has been very good reasons pot has been illegal for so long.

    such as ? please post proof. This is our point. You have not provided a single piece of evidence. Using the word "Obviously" does not make it so.

    Anyways let's see some HARD FACTS from governmental agencies which PROVE POT IS IN NO WAY harmful... Yeah right. GOOD LUCK!

    I work for a Government Agency (The NIH), and I say its ok.

    try these for size - they all researched the effects of cannabis, and found no harmful effects

    Cannabinoids in clinical practice, Drugs, Volume 60, Issue 6, December 2000, Pages 1303-1314
    Williamson, E M; Evans, F J

    Side effects of pharmaceuticals not elicited by comparable herbal medicines: the case of tetrahydrocannabinol and marijuana, Alternative Therapies in Health and Medicine, Volume 5, Issue 4, July 1999, Pages 57-62
    McPartland, J M; Pruitt, P L

    The next article actually showed that taking cannabis when pregnant did NOT harm the unborn child !

    LSD and cannabis abuse in early pregnancy with good perinatal outcome: Case report and review of the literature, Gynakologisch-geburtshilfliche Rundschau, Volume 39, Issue 3, 1999, Pages 125-129
    Von Mandach U.; Rabner M.M.; Wisser J.; Huch A.

    Following article showed no harmful effects of cannabis

    Long-term cannabis use: characteristics of users in an Australian rural area, Addiction , Volume 93, Issue 6, June 1998, Pages 837-846
    Reilly, D; Didcott, P; Swift, W; Hall, W

    This article did say that dizzyness maybe a possible short-term side effect :eek: but that was IT

    Cannabinoids for control of chemotherapy induced nausea and vomiting: quantitative systematic review, BMJ (Clinical Research Ed.), Volume 323, Issue 7303, July 7, 2001, Pages 16-21
    Tramèr, M R; Carroll, D; Campbell, F A; Reynolds, D J; Moore, R A; McQuay, H J

    CAN YOU NOT SEE THEM?

    Malcolm
  12. malkieD2 Ex-Manager and RSA

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    I'm sure the guy with the PhD is going to resent that.

    indeed I did, but I'm thick skinned !

    I have only tried it, and that was over a year ago. I doubt malkie has done it at all.

    I did try it once at college (doesn't everyone ?), but that was it. anyways, that is besides the point.

    I'm just here to argue against pot being a bad drug, or having harmful effects.

    M
  13. KitFist0 Force Ghost

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    PPOR LL ;) We have shown you respect now do the same to us.
  14. malkieD2 Ex-Manager and RSA

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    from the article LL posted :-

    "According to the 1992 survey about half of the victims could not determine whether the offender was under the influence of a substance"

    Furthermore, when you actually read the article, you realise that there is no corelation between drug abuse and criminal offense. They only had to say if they'd used drugs in the past year - NOT that they were on drugs at the time of the offense.

    Again, at no point does the article separate cannabis from other drugs - there is NO data in that article showing the crime related effects of cannabis alone. CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT?

    The only slight evidence I can find is that rivel cannabis traffickers might commit crime against each other. However, this would not be a problem if it were legalised. (you don't see Philip Morris beating up other tabacco company owners for selling cigrattes on his turf)

    M

    edit: don't you find the number of edits on LLs posts interesting ?

    I'm off home now (yes, I'm still at work at 10pm), but I'll log on from home and see how we've progressed.

    edit2: she can't actually paste the data because her reference is a PDF file located here
  15. Lady_Lucas Jedi Master

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    Sheesh malks with all your ideas I'd think you see by the process of elimination...Study says... Alcohal and Marijuana=%
    Then it says Alcohal only. So you subtract one from the other and you see the effect of Marijuana on the levels of crime. It's pretty easy to figure out! ;)

    Whew! I have research coming out the ears!!

    Here's some more for you! :)

    8 Things You Need To Know About
    Marijuana

    1)The active ingredient in marijuana is THC (tetrahydrocannabinal). The behaviors exhibited by introducing THC to brain chemistry are similar those demonstrated by alcohol use.
    2)Marijuana is classified as a "psychotropic" or "psychoactive" drug and is highly addictive for some individuals; frequent users may find that they need more of the drug to get the same "high" (Source) - as a result some marijuana users "graduate" to harder drugs, giving marijuana the label of "precursory drug".
    3)Smoking marijuana decreases blood flow to the brain (Source), is very damaging to your long and short term memory systems (Source) and some studies indicate it is more damaging to your lungs than smoking cigarettes. (Source: Starr et al, Medical Tribune, page 17, 1994)
    4)The reactive properties of marijuana are unlike other addictive drugs; as a result, very little is known for sure about the physical mechanisms of addiction and withdrawl in cannibus users. Some people claim marijuana is totally non-addicting, while others say it is just as addicting as other substances with only the causes of addiction being different. No one side has conclusively proven it's perspective. Since the reasons for marijuana addiction are unclear it is impossible to assess whether or not you may become "hooked" until it has already happened.
    5) Marijuana induces a broad range of "emotional" responses; from relaxation to introspection, irrationality to paranoia.
    Users feel more "in tune" with the world claiming to see brighter colors, hear new sounds and have an increased level of creativity - in fact, to sober people, "high" people sound ridiculous.
    Marijuana has a strong and distinct odor that is not easy to wash off and that can remain on the breath despite repeated brushing.
    6)You can get high from second hand marijuana smoke.
    7)Because it is part of the illegal drug trade and is the most widely used illegal substance in North America, marijuana is a major contributor (directly and indirectly) to petty crime and drug related violence.
    8)Smoking marijuana while pregnant can have similar effects on a baby as drinking alcohol (Source). These effects are irreversible, and for many children they will last a life time. (Sources: 1 - 2). NAS (Neonatal Abstinence Syndrome) can be caused by ANY type of illicit drug use during pregnancy; this includes marijuana use.

    Still lets keep it Illegal!
  16. Admiral_Thrawn60 Jedi Youngling

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    1)The active ingredient in marijuana is THC (tetrahydrocannabinal). The behaviors exhibited by introducing THC to brain chemistry are similar those demonstrated by alcohol use.

    So why isn't it treated the same was as alcohol under the law?

    2)Marijuana is classified as a "psychotropic" or "psychoactive" drug and is highly addictive for some individuals; frequent users may find that they need more of the drug to get the same "high" (Source) - as a result some marijuana users "graduate" to harder drugs, giving marijuana the label of "precursory drug".

    Some people also go into casinos and don't leave until they're homeless. Should we ban those too?

    3)Smoking marijuana decreases blood flow to the brain (Source), is very damaging to your long and short term memory systems (Source) and some studies indicate it is more damaging to your lungs than smoking cigarettes. (Source: Starr et al, Medical Tribune, page 17, 1994)

    If you smoke it as often as you do cigarettes, yeah! But who does that?

    4)The reactive properties of marijuana are unlike other addictive drugs; as a result, very little is known for sure about the physical mechanisms of addiction and withdrawl in cannibus users. Some people claim marijuana is totally non-addicting, while others say it is just as addicting as other substances with only the causes of addiction being different. No one side has conclusively proven it's perspective. Since the reasons for marijuana addiction are unclear it is impossible to assess whether or not you may become "hooked" until it has already happened.

    It's been proven to be not chemically addictive. It can be mentally addictive, but then, so can chocolate. Let's ban it while we're at it.

    5) Marijuana induces a broad range of "emotional" responses; from relaxation to introspection, irrationality to paranoia.
    Users feel more "in tune" with the world claiming to see brighter colors, hear new sounds and have an increased level of creativity - in fact, to sober people, "high" people sound ridiculous.
    Marijuana has a strong and distinct odor that is not easy to wash off and that can remain on the breath despite repeated brushing.


    Sounds like alcohol to me.

    6)You can get high from second hand marijuana smoke.

    This is true. My dad managed to do it once with his girlfriend... BY INHALING AND THEN KISSING HER! I've been with many people while they were smoking weed, and I didn't get high. This is just absurd.

    7)Because it is part of the illegal drug trade and is the most widely used illegal substance in North America, marijuana is a major contributor (directly and indirectly) to petty crime and drug related violence.

    "Becase it is part of the illegal drug trade..." I rest my case. If it were legalized, these problems would go away. You don't see people stealing to buy cigarettes and beer, do you?

    8)Smoking marijuana while pregnant can have similar effects on a baby as drinking alcohol (Source). These effects are irreversible, and for many children they will last a life time. (Sources: 1 - 2). NAS (Neonatal Abstinence Syndrome) can be caused by ANY type of illicit drug use during pregnancy; this includes marijuana use.

    Again, it's like alcohol. Ban them both or legalize them both.

    Sheesh malks with all your ideas I'd think you see by the process of elimination...Study says... Alcohal and Marijuana=%
    Then it says Alcohal only. So you subtract one from the other and you see the effect of Marijuana on the levels of crime. It's pretty easy to figure out!


    Malkie said this earlier: just incase you were going to say this: its an invalid assumption to presume that subtracting the alcohol alone percentage from the alcohol and cannabis percentage will leave you with the cannabis alone percentage.

    More evidence that you do not read and understand what we are saying.
  17. KitFist0 Force Ghost

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    1)The active ingredient in marijuana is THC (tetrahydrocannabinal). The behaviors exhibited by introducing THC to brain chemistry are similar those demonstrated by alcohol use.

    Hey lets bring back the prohibtion :D

    2)Marijuana is classified as a "psychotropic" or "psychoactive" drug and is highly addictive for some individuals; frequent users may find that they need more of the drug to get the same "high" (Source) - as a result some marijuana users "graduate" to harder drugs, giving marijuana the label of "precursory drug".

    As Darth said pushers help develop marijuana as agateway drug

    3)Smoking marijuana decreases blood flow to the brain (Source), is very damaging to your long and short term memory systems (Source) and some studies indicate it is more damaging to your lungs than smoking cigarettes. (Source: Starr et al, Medical Tribune, page 17, 1994)

    Actually its not as harmful to your lungs learnt that in SCHOOL ;)

    4)The reactive properties of marijuana are unlike other addictive drugs; as a result, very little is known for sure about the physical mechanisms of addiction and withdrawl in cannibus users. Some people claim marijuana is totally non-addicting, while others say it is just as addicting as other substances with only the causes of addiction being different. No one side has conclusively proven it's perspective. Since the reasons for marijuana addiction are unclear it is impossible to assess whether or not you may become "hooked" until it has already happened.

    People that do smoke regularly, smoke because they like the "high" they get ;)

    5) Marijuana induces a broad range of "emotional" responses; from relaxation to introspection, irrationality to paranoia.
    Users feel more "in tune" with the world claiming to see brighter colors, hear new sounds and have an increased level of creativity - in fact, to sober people, "high" people sound ridiculous.
    Marijuana has a strong and distinct odor that is not easy to wash off and that can remain on the breath despite repeated brushing.

    Hey lets bring back the prohibtion :D

    6)You can get high from second hand marijuana smoke.

    True [face_shocked]

    7)Because it is part of the illegal drug trade and is the most widely used illegal substance in North America, marijuana is a major contributor (directly and indirectly) to petty crime and drug related violence.

    Drug dealers killing each other, Legalisation will get rid of this,

    8)Smoking marijuana while pregnant can have similar effects on a baby as drinking alcohol (Source). These effects are irreversible, and for many children they will last a life time. (Sources: 1 - 2). NAS (Neonatal Abstinence Syndrome) can be caused by ANY type of illicit drug use during pregnancy; this includes marijuana use.

    I don't think it would be a good idea to smoke while you are pregnant, same way its not good to drink while pregnant ;)
  18. malkieD2 Ex-Manager and RSA

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    wow, didn't I miss a lot while I was travelling home - wonder if anyone else is still online ?

    Lady_Lucas you are now clearly trolling. You are either stupid, or not reading other people's posts.

    So you subtract one from the other and you see the effect of Marijuana on the levels of crime. It's pretty easy to figure out!

    As AT60 stated, I clearly mentioned in my earlier post that this is an invalid assumption. Furthermore, alcohol stronglu modifies the effects of cannabis which affects any reponse you get with cannabis alone. Can cannot simply subtract one from the other.

    You (yet again) list a collection of biased, unscientific crap and (yet again) without any form of reference, back up, numbers, percentages or evidence to support.

    Example, in one of your points it stated cannabis can harm unborn babies. You say this with absolutely no evidence. Yet, I previously posted a journal article which had directly studied the effects of cannabis on pregnancies and found no harmlful effects.

    How many of my references have you bothered to read ?
    I'll bet absolutely none. I'm sure you say "oh, but I can't access those journals". Well, if you are a student then they will be accessible in your library (electronically or otherwise), they will also be available in any decent city library (oh, btw a library is a big building with books in it)

    I find it extremely rude that you have not consulted any of the references I have provided. There is no way you could continue to post the crap that you do if you had.

    Myself and others here have been polite enough to read the articles you have mentioned (despite you not actually posting their origin), and found them to be bias and unfounded.

    I wonder how you'll ever make it through University with the arrogant irreversible attitude that you are displaying here.

    M
  19. YoungJediNiagara RSA Emeritus FF Canada

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    OK I think everyone has posted enough about this issue please more on to another topic.

    I've read enough to validate the topic was going in circles and I think feelings and tentions towards others are starting to get high. (no pun intended)

    Thanks all for the debate..."nothing to see here, move along...move along."
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