Legalisation of Prostitution

Yep, just like A_G said, if a girl comes into work one day not feeling up to the task, then she can always call in sick or take a day off.

 

In the Real World its not as cozy as youre imagining. The girl might find a little run down apartment, where she can raise her child, but here is a reality you seem to ignore, working at Exxon or McDonalds doesnt always pay the bills, especially when youre off on your own.

Funny thing about that. There are place she can go and people out there who will help her. That is a FACT people.

Oh boy *rolls eyes* These REAL jobs dont always get things done as said before. And sometimes, there are no jobs to be had, there are only so many positions that McDonalds and 7-11 can fill and to assume that all these women never tried to look at other place is naieve.

No she will be able to find a job. She will be abel to fidn help. She will be able to pay the bills. Prostitution is not the answer. What do you think all those place that offer people help are there for? They are there to help people find jobs help them to find a place to live and so on.

People are telling you the good aspects pal, youre the one ignoring so get off your high horse and face the music will ya?

There are far more bad things about Prostitution then you would think. And there are a lot of places out there you can go to get help so that these women don't have to have sex just to get money. Women don't need to have sex to get money they are far better then that. Let's get out of the dark ages here. Let's get in to the year 2003 and look aroudn at all the place and all the people who are willing to help these women so that they don't need to have sex jsut to pay bills.

I would assume that a woman who didn't want to have sex and had no intention of doing so would not be taking a job as a prostitute.

Were really lowering the what women had to fight for for so long. Know let's just push them back down and tell them that there only good for as sex objects. Again there are people that are out there to help them to help find jobs and pay the bills they are out there and will and do help you.

 

Here is a fact and it should be the end of it. I am tired of dealing with this as we are looking at these girls are having no other choice but to do this lets look at it like this. THEY MIGHT WANT TO! Its like girls who act in porn movies.

FACT: People enjoy sex

FACT: People are willing to pay for sex

FACT: Some women are willing to get paid for sex

FACT: It is Illegal and it happens ANYWAY

FACT: It can better be controlled when its legal

FACT: Nobody has the right to judge a girl because she likes to get paid for sex. Dont we all want a job we love?

 

*loud round of applause for Jedi-Xen*

anidan:

1. Ever tried supporting a family on $5.15 an hour?

2. I worked at social services for awhile. It's not as simple to get help as you are implying. It is a complex, long, drawn-out process, and speaking for myself, it is so humiliating that I would rather have sex for money than be subjected to what they put you through there.

 

FACT: People enjoy sex

True but I will have it with the girl I love.

FACT: People are willing to pay for sex

Ture and that is a really bad thing to do to.

FACT: Some women are willing to get paid for sex

Same thing

FACT: It is Illegal and it happens ANYWAY

True but it should still be illleagl.

FACT: It can better be controlled when its legal

No it hsould never be leagl

FACT: Nobody has the right to judge a girl because she likes to get paid for sex. Dont we all want a job we love?

Having sex is NOT a job. Are we know going to have college classes for this? Women are better then this. Let's stop pushing them down. Bring them up and give them the help they need so they don't need to have sex for a leaving. You want to know what is so wrong with this.

































































Women right's they fought to be on the same level as men. We live in the year 2003 and will say well they can make a leaving having sex. We are lowring them back down to the level they should not be at.



I worked at social services for awhile. It's not as simple to get help as you are implying. It is a complex, long, drawn-out process, and speaking for myself, it is so humiliating that I would rather have sex for money than be subjected to what they put you through there.

That's sad to hear that you would do that. It's sad to hear that people would think that way. But you know I'm done here. It makes me sick that people think that women are only good for having sex. That that's all they can do.

 

You have really placed yourself on a high horse. Because women want to have sex for money isnt demeaning for them, or woman kind. Thats the kind of attitude that says a house wife is against womens rights. Were not even talking about a majority of women here, just those that like to have sex and get paid for it.

The only reason you find it demeaning is because in your head casual sex is a demeaning issue, while for some people its nothing, just sex. The only people who are holding women down for having sex for money are those who are against it. It is you who looks down on them, not those of us who think we can make them fit into society without shame.

We are not regressing, we are not going back to the stone age, we are giving the women who want the right to have sex for money, the right to do just that. We are not, stoning them, we are not the ones looking at them as outcasts, very much the opposite. And this isnt going against womens movement, I am by no means saying women are only allowed to do this, and all other jobs are for men alone. There could be male/homo brothels for all I care. Because they are there doesnt mean every little girl is going to grow up to be a brother girl, or does it mean you have to visit.

I really see no difference between a brothel and a XXX store.

 

Having sex is NOT a job. Are we know going to have college classes for this?

*volunteers to teach the classes if they're full of hottie guys*

I don't think having sex requires that much talent, anidan--just a little practice.

And Jedi_Xen is, once again, right. You're imposing your standards on everyone else. It's like Jessica in American Pie said: "It's not a space shuttle launch. It's sex." Some people take it more seriously than others--but that doesn't mean that there is something wrong with those of us who see it as a casual thing, or that those of you who see it as a serious thing should be the ones who are allowed to make the rules.

 

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The only reason you find it demeaning is because in your head casual sex is a demeaning issue, while for some people its nothing, just sex. This is not casual sex. This is sex for money. These women have pimps who keep them are around deem them and do ever thing in there power to keep them form ever being anything in else in life.

The only people who are holding women down for having sex for money are those who are against it.

You don't need to have sex just to make a living.

It is you who looks down on them, not those of us who think we can make them fit into society without shame.
I don't look down on them. I just don't want these women to be lied go any more. I don't want them being told that having sex is the only answer to making a living. I don't want them being told they are only good enough to have sex and they will never know how to do anything else. Many women who get out of it can make very nice livings. many women who get out of it find out that they did not need the pimps help. They find out that there's a lot more to life then sex.

A_G have you ever looked into what prostitution is about? Have you gone to the site I posted a link to have you ever botherd to read up about it. I have and I will tell you Prustitution is any ugly thing. Any ugly thing where women are put in to areas where there lives are in danger. They are put in to a place where they are told that they are only good at having sex. They are looked down on by there pimp who will never let them go. The girl may think that once she get the money she needs she can just get out. She can't the pimp will keep her form doing that.

If you don't want to look at that fine. But I do read up about it I do look it up and I can tell you what I find and hear and read about it...well it's nothing to be happy about.


The average age of entry into prostitution is 13 years (M.H. Silbert and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street prostitutes, Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133) or 14 years (D.Kelly Weisberg, 1985, Children of the Night: A Study of Adolescent Prostitution, Lexington, Mass, Toronto). Most of these 13 or 14 year old girls were recruited or coerced into prostitution. Others were "traditional wives" without job skills who escaped from or were abandoned by abusive husbands and went into prostitution to support themselves and their children. (Denise Gamache and Evelina Giobbe, Prostitution: Oppression Disguised as Liberation, National Coalition against Domestic Violence, 1990)

Estimates of the prevalence of incest among prostitutes range from 65% to 90%. The Council for Prostitution Alternatives, Portland, Oregon Annual Report in 1991 stated that: 85% of prostitute/clients reported history of sexual abuse in childhood; 70% reported incest. The higher percentages (80%-90%) of reports of incest and childhood sexual assaults of prostitutes come from anecdotal reports and from clinicians working with prostitutes (interviews with Nevada psychologists cited by Patricia Murphy, Making the Connections: women, work, and abuse, 1993, Paul M. Deutsch Press, Orlando, Florida; see also Rita Belton, "Prostitution as Traumatic Reenactment," 1992, International Society for Traumatic Stress Annual Meeting, Los Angeles, CA M.H. Silbert and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street prostitutes," Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133; C. Bagley and L Young, 1987, "Juvenile Prostitution and child sexual abuse: a controlled study," Canadian Journal of Community Mental Health, Vol 6: 5-26.)

80% of prostitution survivors at the WHISPER Oral History Project reported that their customers showed them pornography to illustrate the kinds of sexual activities in which they wanted to engage. 52% of the women stated that pornography played a significant role in teaching them what was expected of them as prostitutes. 30% reported that their pimps regularly exposed them to pornography in order to indoctrinate them into an acceptance of the practices depicted. (A facilitator's gui

 

anidan Having sex is NOT a job. Are we know going to have college classes for this?

Anakins Girl *volunteers to teach the classes if they're full of hottie guys*


*LOL* Hey A_G where do we sign up for this class


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What if a prostitute personally thinks certain things are "too far out" or recently there have been a lot of customers that are "too disgusting". Is it legal to fire anyone because they refuse to have sex? Can you guarantee that the sex is consentual in every single instance?

And no one has yet to answer my other question: is the act of having sex with someone you don't know for a price showing the dignity and respect of an equal that the prostitute deserves?

And I pose another question: What is the purpose of law in the first place?

 

What if a prostitute personally thinks certain things are "too far out" or recently there have been a lot of customers that are "too disgusting". Is it legal to fire anyone because they refuse to have sex? Can you guarantee that the sex is consentual in every single instance?

It would be like any other form of business. For example, I don't agree with the idea of tracking children into different classes by IQ from kindergarten on. Therefore, I don't have to work for a school system that requires me to do that. I have choices. The prostitute, like any other businesswoman, does not have to work for a brothel that engages in practices she does not feel comfortable with. She can also start her own business if she wants.

And no one has yet to answer my other question: is the act of having sex with someone you don't know for a price showing the dignity and respect of an equal that the prostitute deserves?

No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. If she makes the choice to have sex for a living because she enjoys sex and/or feels it pays well, then it is not beneath her dignity. Not everyone defines herself by sex.

And I pose another question: What is the purpose of law in the first place?

To protect us from being harmed by other people.

 

I suggest you hit this and read the whole article. Compare your comments on those eight points to that one. You will find how utterly wrong you are....

 

Opinions aren't right or wrong, Vader.

And how do I know that site wasn't put together by someone who is on your side?

 

And how do I know that site wasn't put together by someone who is on your side?

Well, the opposite of that would be someone on "your" side. An objective analysis is hard to come by.

 

It would be like any other form of business. For example, I don't agree with the idea of tracking children into different classes by IQ from kindergarten on. Therefore, I don't have to work for a school system that requires me to do that. I have choices. The prostitute, like any other businesswoman, does not have to work for a brothel that engages in practices she does not feel comfortable with. She can also start her own business if she wants.

So she can quit. But can she be fired?

And no one has yet to answer my other question: is the act of having sex with someone you don't know for a price showing the dignity and respect of an equal that the prostitute deserves?

No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. If she makes the choice to have sex for a living because she enjoys sex and/or feels it pays well, then it is not beneath her dignity. Not everyone defines herself by sex.

Again, I agree that no one can make you feel inferior. No one can make you become inferior, either. But is anyone allowed to treat people as inferiors?

Another question: is sexuality a part of the human person or not?

And I pose another question: What is the purpose of law in the first place?

To protect us from being harmed by other people.

Okay, so why is that important?

 

Anakin Girl

We don't have access to statistical information. That article at least supports it's arguments through statistical info. As far as I know A-G, you and your aids have not come up with something as concrete as this.

 

But is anyone allowed to treat people as inferiors?

Happens all the time, and I'm not talking about prostitution. I was treated as an inferior on my last job, and it had nothing to do with sex.

Your sexuality is as much a part of your person as you choose to make it. Some people see it as a purely physical thing and some people choose to see it as a part of the whole being. Neither choice is wrong.

Vader: Where are these stats coming from?

*laughing at the idea of someone walking up to a streetwalker with a mike and saying "Excuse me--how do you feel about your job? Why did you choose to do it?" It's illegal--no one is going to be truthful unless she wants to find herself in an orange suit and handcuffs later.*

 

Ah come on..

You're telling me that this not true. All of that was made up. Just accept it. Here is solid proof that legalization of prostitution worsens the situation contrary to what you believe..

And you've got whores speaking for themselves. They believe it's a nut job...

 

I didn't say it was made up. I just don't think you can get an accurate statistical reference here because the profession is illegal.

Are you going to walk up to a drug pusher on the street and say "Dude--how do you feel about selling cocaine for a living?"

Besides, assuming for argument's sake that it is accurate--a lot of the problems with prostitution, such as the hiding out from the cops and the lack of protection from abusive clients and pimps, would be eliminated by legalizing it.

 

As I said A-G, you don't have proof. How will you know that legalisation will improve the situation? The article used the Netherlands as an example where prostitution is legal. The article is NOT biased. The info was clearly expressed objectively and coherently with statistics to support the argument.

 

Happens all the time, and I'm not talking about prostitution. I was treated as an inferior on my last job, and it had nothing to do with sex.

Is that/should that be tolerated?

Your sexuality is as much a part of your person as you choose to make it. Some people see it as a purely physical thing and some people choose to see it as a part of the whole being. Neither choice is wrong.

I disagree. I believe whether one's sexuality is a part of your being or not is a matter of reality, not a matter of choice. If one's sexuality is mistreated, one's entire self is mistreated. This is perhaps the central difference in this debate.

 

If one's sexuality is mistreated, one's entire self is mistreated

Sort of a morality judgement, wouldn't you say?

 

instead of hypotheticals, can anyone offer real inside firsthand knowledge of prostitution and the issue of self esteem? not what somebody thinks , but rather a real opinion by someone who actually has undertaken this enterprise? and by this, i mean no customer opinions, but real prostitute opinions. we're all kinda talking about with which we really are assuming a lot on both sides. anyone who has ever had sex for money, please post your experiences now. i'm very curious to see what someone who isn't talking in hypotheticals has to say.

 

Yodashizzle

Read that article. It explains how whores never wanted to be whores in the first place. Most of them that is.

 

Sort of a morality judgement, wouldn't you say?

Yes, but morality and law cross when it comes to protecting human dignity. Isn't any decision protecting us from being harmed a moral judgement? Who gets to decide that someone is being hurt?