Legalisation of Prostitution

Discussion in 'Archive: The Senate Floor' started by Humble extra, Jun 25, 2003.

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  1. Humble extra Jedi Youngling

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    just a note about the extra services question from womberty..........i think that would exceed the "usual terms and conditions" of employment..........any request by the employer to add those would still be construed harrasment, unless agreed to by the employee..........further any employee taking initiative to add prostitution to their duties (eg in a hotel or something) could also be legitimately accused of breaking the employment contract.......
  2. anakin_girl Jedi Grand Master

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    womberty: Regarding your question about organ donation--having done some work with the Red Cross, I can answer that one.

    Organ donation is supposed to be voluntary because the health organizations that work with the organs and make sure they get to recipients want to make sure that no one is trying to sell their organs for a quick buck--they want to make sure the donation comes from the heart. Otherwise, someone who is either on drugs or starving--in other words, unhealthy--might try to donate a likewise unhealthy organ.

    Legal prostitution would not be this way because if prostitution were legal, the government could require that the girls be checked for diseases. Also, the person who pays for sex would not be dependent upon it for life or death.

    Tell me, should public nudity be legal? After all, it doesn't harm anyone, does it?

    I personally think public nudity should be legal, having spent some time in Europe myself, and I think the only reason that it isn't is because Americans are so puritanical that we have come to believe that, one, all nudity is sexual, and two, our bodies are something to be ashamed of--both ridiculous concepts.

    As hot as it is here, I would love to be able to walk around naked.

    As far as public sex or masturbation--I don't particularly want to look at it, but that doesn't mean it should be illegal. I don't want to watch someone pick their nose either, but no one has outlawed that yet.

    As far as cannibalism--if someone is actually stupid enough to want to be eaten, be my guest. I just don't know how the person is going to die first--I do believe murder should remain illegal.

    Think I've caught up with this thread--just got back from vacation and, damn, I'm tired.
  3. Mara_Fett Jedi Knight

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    I really couldn't care less if it's legal or not. It doesn't affect my life one way or another. I'm not buying and I'm not selling, so, whatever.

    I think the law should be rewritten though. It should state clearly that prostitution is only illegal for ugly people. Cause lets face it. All the attractive ones are just called "porn stars".

  4. anakin_girl Jedi Grand Master

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    I think the law should be rewritten though. It should state clearly that prostitution is only illegal for ugly people. Cause lets face it. All the attractive ones are just called "porn stars".

    [face_laugh] [face_laugh]

    Funny but true.

    And it reminds me of a Chris Rock routine, when he was talking about the Clarence Thomas case...and I'm paraphrasing here because I'm doing this from memory.

    "The thing that if Clarence Thomas looked like Denzel Washington, none of this would have ever happened. 'Cause Anita Hill would have been up there goin', 'Come on, Clarence...with your fine self'. So why is it such a big deal when an ugly man wants some?"
  5. Saint_of_Killers Jedi Youngling

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    I've never understood the big deal with Denzel. He seems average to me. If you wanna talk hot black guys, there's the guy that plays Tyr on Andromeda [face_love]
  6. anakin_girl Jedi Grand Master

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    I think Denzel is hot, and I think Billy Blanks is hot, and I think Sam Jackson is hot when he plays Mace Windu. I guess it takes all kinds. ;)
  7. Saint_of_Killers Jedi Youngling

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  8. anakin_girl Jedi Grand Master

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    Who, me? *face=innocent*

    :D
  9. Grand Admiral Thran Jedi Youngling

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    Who, me? *face=innocent*

    Yes you! The term flirtatious nympho comes up!

    Your hubby needs to come around more often! When the cat's away, the mice will play! ;)

    And, as far as prostitution, I think it should be legalized as an actual line of work in the government. Tested for stds, report in with earnings, taxes, the whole works. If any abuse occurs, we have the police, and if state sanctions the prostitutes, I doubt many would try to rape/beat/cheat them. Only a very select few which would do that, would do it anyways.

    -GAT
  10. Mara_Fett Jedi Knight

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    As far as I am concerned, it is already legal and it is already regulated. Of course, it is only legal for people with enough money to produce videos, and the girls they deem attractive enough to be in said videos. And what is a pornographic video producer, if not a pimp?
  11. anakin_girl Jedi Grand Master

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    Yes you! The term flirtatious nympho comes up!

    [face_devil] :D

    Mara_Fett: You're right. And what you've stated is a problem--it shouldn't be legal in some cases, and only for beautiful women who want to make movies, and not legal in other cases.
  12. womberty Jedi Master

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    someone who is either on drugs or starving--in other words, unhealthy--might try to donate a likewise unhealthy organ.

    Legal prostitution would not be this way because if prostitution were legal, the government could require that the girls be checked for diseases.


    The government can't require that organ donors be checked for diseases?

    Maybe you can tell me whether payment for organs is prohibited by law, or just considered a bad practice by the health organizations who handle the donations?
  13. Jedi_Xen Jedi Master

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    The government can't require that organ donors be checked for diseases?

    Because you need your organs to survive. Sex is rarely fatal.

    I think the good samaritan law might have somthing to do with what is going on with this too. Not too mention its kinda cruel if you think about it, someone is dying and your trying to get their money in exchange for an organ, especially considering the person might not live through the operation anyways. I think it has to do with taste.
  14. anakin_girl Jedi Grand Master

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    The government can check the organ donors for diseases, but not for unhealthy practices such as drinking too much, smoking, etc. I suppose the government could check for illegal drug use. I know there's no way the government could check a potential donor for poor nutrition though, and if someone is donating an organ to get money to buy food, you've got the very real possibility of unhealthy or even dangerous habits. Having sex with someone who is on drugs is not harmful, unless the person has been using dirty needles and is HIV positive. However, receiving an organ from someone who is on drugs would be very harmful.

    I think it is required by law that the organ donors not be paid, but I'm not sure. I do know that people can donate plasma for money--I've known college students to do it to get grocery money.
  15. Jedi_Xen Jedi Master

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  16. womberty Jedi Master

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    Because you need your organs to survive.

    Not all of them. Some, such as a kidney or a portion of the liver, can be taken from a live donor. (I wonder if bone marrow falls in the same category? I've seen lots of marrow registration efforts, but never anyone offering money for it.)


    Not too mention its kinda cruel if you think about it, someone is dying and your trying to get their money in exchange for an organ, especially considering the person might not live through the operation anyways. I think it has to do with taste.

    It's not cruel when someone is desperate for sex to charge them money for it?

    And if we're just basing laws on matters of taste, then why not outlaw prostitution as well? Many people find it in poor taste.


    The government can check the organ donors for diseases, but not for unhealthy practices such as drinking too much, smoking, etc.

    There's nothing to say a smoker wouldn't try to be benevolent.

    I'm not convinced that the donation policies are based on concerns about the quality of the donated organs. I'd really like to know a little more about the reasoning behind it, actually.
  17. Jedi_Xen Jedi Master

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    It's not cruel when someone is desperate for sex to charge them money for it?

    You dont see the difference between the cruelty of charging a dying person for an organ they need, and charge a person for sex they want?

    You need organs to survive, if you didnt then the person most likely wouldnt need the donation.

    Believe it or not people can survive without sex. Sex is not a necessity, organs are.
  18. womberty Jedi Master

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    You need organs to survive, if you didnt then the person most likely wouldnt need the donation.

    Someone with a failed liver will die without a donated organ. However, they don't necessarily need the entire liver - I think especially in the case of children, only a portion of the adult liver is needed. Parents and siblings are often asked to make the donation their family member needs.


    Believe it or not people can survive without sex. Sex is not a necessity, organs are.

    I need food to survive. How can grocers and restaurants charge me for something that is a necessity?
  19. Jedi_Xen Jedi Master

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    I need food to survive. How can grocers and restaurants charge me for something that is a necessity?

    Now youre just talking non sense. I see youre desperatly trying for a double standard flaw. Why dont you give that angle up, it obviously doesnt work.

    You pay for groceries to help pay the farmer who grows the produce, the companies that ship it, bottle it, etc etc etc. Someone is providing a service. In other words someone is doing something so you dont have to. In this case they are growing/raising food and sell it to you.

    What you are wanting is someone who is desperate for money to sell their organs. That in itself is dangerous and is completly different from someone providing a service, whether the service is food or sex.
  20. womberty Jedi Master

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    Someone is providing a service. In other words someone is doing something so you dont have to.

    But in the case of prostitution, they're providing something you can't do. (Just as you can't grow another organ, you can't produce a sexual partner through your own means.)


    What you are wanting is someone who is desperate for money to sell their organs.

    That's not what I'm wanting; I'm wanting to show you that there is a precedent for prohibiting the sale of the human body.


    That in itself is dangerous and is completly different from someone providing a service, whether the service is food or sex.

    Growing food is dangerous. You can be killed by farm machinery.

    You can be paid to perform other dangerous jobs, such as firefighter or circus performer. Shouldn't organ donors be paid better than circus performers?
  21. chibiangi Force Ghost

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    But organ donors are usually dead.
  22. Jedi_Xen Jedi Master

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    That's not what I'm wanting; I'm wanting to show you that there is a precedent for prohibiting the sale of the human body.

    Well by that standard getting paid for manual labor should be illegal too. Youre basically buying the persons body to do dirty work, and paying them well for it. We need to start arresting people who do manual labor and the people who pay them to do manual labor.

    But no harm comes to the individual who does manual labor you say? You said so yourself they could be killed by machinery or something. My uncle cut his toe off in a lawnmower, it wouldnt have happened if manual labor was outlawed.

    The laws in place for organ donation are in place to keep people from getting hurt. Keep people from selling bad kidneys, lungs etc. They are there to protect people.

    Now what harm comes to a man and woman who have sex for money? Perhaps a STD? As you said, jobs are risky, firefighters risk getting killed in fires, police officers and soldiers risk getting shot, pizza delivery people risk getting killed in a car accident. Doctors and nurses risk AIDS by doing their jobs, there are ways to prevent it, same with prostitution. With it being legal, you suddenly gave prostitutes a leg to stand on to make guys wear protection, {*sarcasm*} Now we dont want that do we? {/Saracasm}
  23. womberty Jedi Master

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    But organ donors are usually dead.

    It is possible to donate some organs while alive. Family members are often asked to donate kidneys or portions of their livers instead of putting their loved ones on a waiting list.


    The laws in place for organ donation are in place to keep people from getting hurt. Keep people from selling bad kidneys, lungs etc. They are there to protect people.

    No, the laws that require the health organizations to test the organs are there to protect people. (Organizations who take blood are required to test the donated blood for HIV, drugs, etc., even after asking the donors whether the blood may be infected.)

    The point was, I don't think selling organs is illegal because of the danger involved.
  24. Darth Zykalus Jedi Master

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    I'm wanting to show you that there is a precedent for prohibiting the sale of the human body.
    Unless the sex is really violent, nobody ever lost an organ doing sex. You could say that prostitution is the "sale" of the human body, but technically it is not. Because, after the job is done, the donor(the prostitute) is still whole. What is really sold is the service of sex, and Jedi_Xen gave tons of other examples.

    Give up that aspect, it is not related. In one you are offering a service, in the other, a body part is offered. Now, if you consider sex as being the sale of the human body, that is your perception, but in the end, the guy/gal using the prostitute does not end up owning for life a part of the prostitute body. Sex(the act, not the body part) is not an organ...

  25. Jansons_Funny_Twin Jedi Grand Master

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    Seems more like renting a body rather than selling it.




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