CT Leia Organa's Personal Flaws

Better than standing there waiting to be shot to death.

That's not micromanaging. That's insulting Han and his piece of **** ship.

 

You really think so? I think I'd rather be shot than squeezed to death by some alien creature in a garbage contractor.


Willie Scott saved Short Round on the bridge. Both she and Indy saved Short Round in the mine car. She saved both Indy and Short Round in the mine car, after Indy failed to take care of one of Mola Ram's minions. And both she and Short Round prevented Mola Ram from reaching the top.

For a woman that screamed a lot, she did a lot of rescuing in that movie's last half hour.

 

Willie wasn't an awful character to me. I've always liked her very much. She seemed a lot more human than those women characters who are regarded as some kind of feminist icons. Willie not only knew what she wanted - regardless of how others might feel - she was flawed and never tried to be otherwise. Don't get me wrong. I like Leia. But I do get tired of reading about how perfect or ideal she was. And sometimes I feel as if fans would prefer to turn a blind eye to her flaws. Over the years, ideal characters have become rather off putting to me.

 

Why? I guess I just don't really see the need. Movies, novels and television have been bombarded with ideal feminist figures for several decades and in many forms. They haven't changed the political situations of women that much. Women in the real world have done most of the work. Humans are never going to be perfect or exist in some form of "acceptable standard". We're too flawed.

I guess we just think differently. I cannot deal with any demand that we all have to be perfect - whether in the real world or in fiction. That's just too much and unrealistic for me. And I feel that we all have the right to whine, screech and feign helplessness whenever we like. And despite her whining and so forth, Willie still managed to come through when the situation demanded it.

I don't want to be perfect. And I don't want the characters of a novel, movie or television series to be perfect or ideal. Characters like that would simply bore me. The only reason Leia doesn't bore me is that I know she is not perfect or ideal.

 

Why is it preferred to be shot? Blaster bolt between the eyes or smashed to death, either way, dead is dead.

The last half hour. The first ninety minutes, you want to advocate the idea of men beating the **** out of women. Willie was useless and was only there as comic relief, which is a far cry from Elsa and Marion. Much less Spalkov and she was a villain through and through. "Family Guy" summed Willie as, "Lady only here cause she humping director."

 

I don't understand. How is my feeling about Willie Scott a support of the idea of men beating women? I don't understand that comment. I understand that you don't like Willie. I, on the other hand, do. She is real to me. I also like Leia. She's real to me. But I do get tired of people trying to point out how "ideal" she is. I don't believe Leia is ideal. I feel she has some serious flaws, like the other characters in the saga. Which is why I find her interesting. I also feel the same about Willie Scott.


Willie Scott was a villain?

 

I still don't understand why we jump on Leia for "complaining" or "micromanaging." I can point to several instances where either Han or Luke *****ed and moaned, or gave orders, yet I doubt I would EVER find that listed as a "flaw" in a similarly titled thread for them.

 

Leia does seem a bit whiny to me, though she can still jump in and try to get things done when she wants to. Luke also comes off that way initially, though he gets better later on. Maybe it's genetic...

 

I understand. Even if I hate what he had said.

 

Yeah. The garbage shoot was smart thinking on her part. Leia was tough and sharp.

 

The choice was either stay where they were and DEFINITELY die or down the chute where they MIGHT die but will at least have a chance of escape. Her 'heroic rescuers' master plan had boiled down to sticking it out in a cul-de-sac trying to take on a moon-sized battleship's worth of storm troopers. If getting out of that is micro-management then the Rebellion could do with a few less cocky scoundrels and a few more micro-managers as far as I'm concerned.

 

I'm sorry, but I was not impressed by Leia's actions. I just wasn't. That's all I can say.

 

Yeah, I always hate how Willie gets so much flack. Not EVERY character (male OR female ) needs to be the consummate action hero in an action film. She was flawed, but it's realistic that not everyone is cut out to keep up with Indy's lifestyle. And as has been mentioned, she had her own character arc and grew by the end of the film.

 

I dunno. I guess she becomes kinda boring in RETURN OF THE JEDI, and loses her spunky, sarcastic, take-charge, no-BS attitude. I can barely remember anything she even did in that film, aside from wearing the metal bikini. I guess she cried a bit during that bridge scene with Luke (although I do like Carrie Fisher’s coked-up line delivery: “Luke, run away! Far away!”). Um…I guess she went into full Disney Princess mode and befriended all the cute little forest critters on Endor. Uh…

Can’t think of anything else she did in that movie.

 

Didn't she get to do the most in the film next to Luke? Vader moped the entire film. Han was sidelined until the bunker attack. Leia had the bounty hunter thing, freeing Han, got to kill the secondary bad guy, got the speeder bike chase, the long scene with Wickett where she battles the biker scouts, and then gets the "I know" punch line to Han. If you look at the script, she gets the most screen time second to Luke.

 

Well, Vader does this:



Granted, it’s not only the climax, but also the best scene in the movie, so I can see why you might not have remembered it.

I forgot about the whole bounty hunter disguise with Leia. Tell me. How many seconds did it take for her to get captured again? 30? 45? “This is some rescue! You came in here! Didn’t you have a plan for getting out?”

And yeah, I guess she did drive the speeder bike. Luke certainly seemed to be backseat driving throughout that entire scene though (“Get alongside that one!” “Move closer!”). Besides, if I remember, didn’t she crash it into a tree? Did she get driving lessons from Counselor Troi?

I already mentioned her Disney Princess thing. Again, though, love the bad line delivery. “But these are my friends. 3PO, tell them they must be set free.” And they didn’t even do that whole Disney Princess friend to all cute woodland critters thing half as well as SHREK did it:



In the end, I don’t care how much screen time she has. She was a great likable character in the first two movies. She was smart, sarcastic, and able to go toe-to-toe with Han Solo in a verbal sparring match. She didn’t take any **** from anyone. She was a badass. In JEDI, she’s no longer a badass. She’s just boring and forgettable. The wallpaper also had alot of screen time in that movie but that doesn’t make the wallpaper a likable, engaging character…and that’s what her character is reduced to—wallpaper. At least Han got to retain a bit of his snarkiness (“Well, why don’t you use your divine influence and get us outta this?”).

 

Have to say, for me no-one looked their best in JEDI other than Luke and perhaps Lando (who has basically become palette-swapped Han anyway). In this instance it's worth remembering Carrie Fisher was in a bad place in real life by many accounts not least her own.

 

Leia killed the mighty Jabba The Hutt, freed Han and took the initiative in the speeder bike chase.

She's basically the hero of the entire trilogy.

 

We've been calling the wrong Skywalker child the main character the whole time!