Senate Let's talk about sexism.

He was trying to point out that sometimes people have an urge to do things that are wrong, but that it is still our responsibility not to do them. A non-sexual example, like revenge, would probably have gotten his point across more effectively

 

This again?

 

I am biologically geared, i.e., I have the physical capabilities to do lots of things I think are wrong. And a lot of those things are natural urges. However, I have a conscience and thus do not act on improper urges.

That was the whole point.

My other posts in that thread readily reveal my detest for rape.

 

I think this has all been a terribly stupid derailment, too. Especially about something so important and timely. But given the gravity of the issue, I'm not really going to be to exasperated that someone wants to clarify their position about whether it's appropriate to commit a capital offense. I think the happy compromise at this point would be to invite anyone who has further questions about that particular instance to PM OZK directly, and the rest of us can continue a discussion about the impact of sexism against women, per the opening post.

 

Obi-Zahn Kenobi

I'm trying to give you a fair chance, but I feel like sometimes (whether unintentionally or not) you wind people up and then when they get upset, you volley back that no one takes your own experiences seriously. Well...(and I'm really not trying to be a jerk in saying this)...don't you think that might be because you have a tendency to come in and denigrate or invalidate the experiences of others? What I mean is this -- let's look at your first post in this thread:

"I'll say this. Women are the only oppressed group to have better life expectancy than their oppressors."

What exactly were you trying to say with that? It just came across as dismissive and somewhat condescending. Yes women have longer life expectancies than men. That doesn't mean they aren't being oppressed. Women in Afghanistan live longer than men -- does this mean they are not oppressed? I fail to see what the point was in posting this -- it just came across as though you were invalidating the feelings of alienation women had experienced here.

Then, you subsequently say this about other posters' complaints:

"But these rich, white women belly-aching about their oppression is as obnoxious to me as my alleged belly-aching about my oppression as a rich, white male is to most JCers."

Are you really surprised that this upset some people? That because they happen to be comparatively wealthy by world standards and white that somehow that means their experiences of discrimination are just "belly-aching." Because women here have experienced a fair bit of discrimination -- in terms of pay gaps, hostile working environments, sexual harassment, etc. Now, if you want to add your own voice and talk about issues in your medical school, why not go ahead and simply make your case instead of griping about the "belly-aching" of other posters?

Your experiences of marginalization in medical school are unfair and they should be addressed, but I don't see why this requires you to, in turn, belittle others' experiences. Now, if I've misunderstood you, I apologize, but I think it's important for you to understand how you can come across to other posters. When you callously dismiss the experiences of others...well...it's not likely that others will give your suffering much due consideration either.

 

There's nothing minimodding about me asking you to lock the thread for the reasons I said. That's completely reasonable, and you know it.

 

Please don't lock it. If the derailment is such a problem (and it is), OZK should be dealt with. Locking the thread accomplishes nothing.

 

Mef alright I'll just ignore it then.

 

I would lock it.

 

I can't believe that in a thread about sexism against women Jello is just ignoring SLG and telling her he knows better.

 

I read this thread for some reason.

 

I HATE Eeth-my-Koth

 

Take it to the hate thread.

 

I find this entire thread to be farcical and hilarious.

 

As befits any discussion of institutionalized discrimination.

 

Sith-Lord-Gunray - I have looked at the first page and last of this thread and I'm glad to see a topic like this made. I'm also glad that, in an age when women are out-performing men in most areas (and gaining in the rest), people who think ****-and-ribs give them an entitlement to success respond to this threat to their unearned dominance by muddying the waters. Specifically, I call BS on any notion that sexism against men is actually a thing.

Sure, there are issues facing men such as comfort in being open about mental health issues, but it's pretty telling when men want to make a discussion of sexism about them. Have pity on us, SLG - we were told the world was our oyster and we'd have a nice, pliable woman at home who would hold no opinions of her own. Learning this is not true, and that we must in fact earn things based on merit... it's terrifying.

I'm just wading through the rest of the laughable and insecure posts from men in this thread. I'll probably reply to others as I go.

btw I know equal pay has been raised a lot in this thread, and I'd like to draw attention to this excellent piece from Hanna Rosin: http://www.slate.com/articles/doubl...every_man_s.html?fb_ref=sm_fb_plugin_activity

 

Cool story Hansel. I am glad to know women are in fact not oppressed.

 

In this instance, he's terrified of having to compete and merit and not be given an automatic membership to first class because he's white and male. If I were him too, having to get by on the calibre of his output and his ability to forge viable and respectful relationships with different groups (or "stakeholders" in management speak), I too would be terrified since I was counting on getting ahead by virtue of penis.

 

I like that you put "the rest of" there.

 

He wouldn't want to include himself in the common rabble.

 

I'm not threatened by the idea that I may not get a leg up for being a male, Vivec. I'm also not convinced women are all that inferior. Your comments kind of imply the opposite.

This is an issue that, if you consider yourself an intelligent and forward thinking person, you should give a damn about. Rather than gearing up for the gender equivalent of a 'race traitor' response.