Senate Let's Talk: Feminism

i don't think bill harassed monica. she has said that their relationship was mutual and consensual. he was impeached for lying about it, by republican congressmen with their own sex scandals. meh.

 

Well, she can say that and it can be entirely true but it doesn't get around the problem of Clinton being her ultimate boss. Nor is there any way I can see how it wouldn't be a factor.

This is less about Lewinsky going "wow, the President wants to shag me" and more "Bill knew better".

 

i don't disagree there.

 

Does anyone have an opinion on Lena Dunham's latest controversy? This has to be the most beguilingly bizarre thing I've read today.

“One day, when I was visiting a Planned Parenthood in Texas a few years ago, a young girl walked up to me and asked me if I’d like to be a part of her project in which women share their stories of abortions. I sort of jumped. “I haven’t had an abortion,” I told her. I wanted to make it really clear to her that as much as I was going out and fighting for other women’s options, I myself had never had an abortion. And I realized then that even I was carrying within myself stigma around this issue. Even I, the woman who cares as much as anybody about a woman’s right to choose, felt it was important that people know I was unblemished in this department…. Now I can say that I still haven’t had an abortion, but I wish I had.”




Is this why people hate liberals?

 

Yeah, there was also discussion in the dedicated abortion discussion thread. But, yes, that is exactly the kind of line opponents of abortion will really be able to use. And, to be fair, they don't see it as purely a political weapon. Anti-abortion folks are genuinely horrified and angered by that kind of statement; it speaks right to their worst fears about abortion. And I'm with them, as I think people on all sides of the political spectrum are, in terms of having a really negative emotional reaction to the quote. It's self-involved, tone-deaf and really disrespectful. And this isn't one of those quotes people have to manipulate; the context doesn't do anything to mitigate how awful it is. So weird. Not what I'd call feminist for sure.

 

The problem I have with it is that it turns a serious medical procedure into that of a trend. A way for her to get more "feminist street cred". It's horrifically narcissistic.

 

It just goes to show that adoption is almost always a morally preferable option to abortion.

 

lol

 

dance classes for children, at least in the Western World, are mostly little girls and there is resistance to admitting little boys to dance classes as a result. One of the arguments used by both these mothers and some feminists is that because dance schools have communal changing rooms, it would be inappropriate for little boys to see their little ballerinas changing. These women wouldn't care - or at least not to the same extent - about little boys being seen changing or naked by their tutu-clad angels and the boys' feelings of embarrassment or humiliation wouldn't matter.

 

On basis do you post the above?

 

The double standard i mentioned is real.

 

Depraved persons, such as Donald Trump, are the only ones who we require to be banned from any changing rooms of any sort.

What do you think of pagan women who choose to wear veils? I know one who does not do so every day. I just roll my eyes when she's called Muslim, as if being Muslim is a bad thing.

 

oh, never mind.

 

Oh, there's definitely a double standard for some folks, or put another way, probably every human being ever born has or will have a double standard on least something during the course of his or her life. That's regardless of gender, of political leaning, or any other such thing. But without a number of examples to support your assertion, "These women wouldn't care - or at least not to the same extent - about little boys being seen changing or naked by their tutu-clad angels and the boys' feelings of embarrassment or humiliation wouldn't matter," I'm going to believe you might be repeating something you've heard, rather than something that is.

 

I'd argue that feminism equates to freedom of men and women - i.e., doing away with meaningless stereotypes based solely on gender.

 

Extreme feminists do (or used to advocate) trying to separate women from the child-creation process. Not sure how they planned on doing that, but it's interesting.

I don't understand why women are exposing their bodies in the name of Feminism. It's more like degradation, to me.

 

And how it's viewed by other women, too.

"conforming to nonconformity" .... that's perfect

 

A severe disappointment.