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Senate Let's Talk: Feminism

Discussion in 'Community' started by blubeast1237, Aug 1, 2014.

  1. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    I don't understand why Alamo Drafthouse feels the need to subject an audience to a DC movie. Women have been through enough.
     
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  2. Artoo-Dion

    Artoo-Dion Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    That minor detail doesn't fit comfortably with the victim mentality.
     
  3. Point Given

    Point Given Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    I get why Alamo Drafthouse is doing this, but they knew they would rile up the MRA types so they could get more publicity and sales. Corporate wokeness always makes me feel uncomfortable.
     
  4. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 9

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    Can someone please explain why:
    1) This isn't just a publicity stunt by Alamo Drafthouse with a "how do you do fellow young feminists?" tacked on?

    2) What material gains do women get from two women only showings of Wonder Woman that makes this beyond a) a feel good moment and b) a symbolic gesture?

    I've already made this joke like, four times now.
     
  5. Artoo-Dion

    Artoo-Dion Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I don't disagree that it's perhaps a crass publicity stunt. That doesn't make the MRA reactions any less ridiculous.
     
  6. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 10

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    The entire film's marketing banks on the notion that people should see a true and meaningful expression of feminism in what is very likely another loud generic superhero movie where some idiot punches some CGI thing. It is consumption as socio-political engagement and an ultimately hollow commercial product. Theaters are creating a stream of monetization from the well the movie studio itself first dug.
     
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  7. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 9

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    I haven't said a thing about the reactions. My thing here is...how has this helped women in any way?
     
  8. Artoo-Dion

    Artoo-Dion Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It most likely hasn't. Does it need to, though?
     
  9. moreorless12

    moreorless12 Jedi Master star 4

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    Granted I think there is still a gender imbalance across Hollywood as a whole but as with TFA pushing the idea that one female lead in an action film makes for some kind of great advancement in equality obviously rings false to me. I mean were decades after stuff like Aliens and Terminator 2 which included female leads of substance so just selling a film of a "girl kicking ass" to me just feels a bit cheap

    This kind of promotion as well just seems like its deliberately fishing for a reaction from your typical knuckle draggers to.
     
  10. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    The knuckle draggers do have the choice not to react. If it is fishing for a reaction from them, they fell right into it.

    As far as how it has helped women...I personally don't feel helped, and I most likely would not do a women-only showing at a theater here, but apparently there are women near the Alamo Theater who do appreciate it given the number of sold-out showings.

    On female leads in action films...we had far more decades with only swooning damsely women, a phenomenon which did not even begin to change until the late 70s/early 80s. So while I don't necessarily support a film based solely on "girl kicking ass," I think films with physically and emotionally strong women should continue to be made as often as possible until society as a whole no longer refers to such a character as a "political move" any more than it refers to a physically and emotionally strong male character as a "political move."
     
  11. moreorless12

    moreorless12 Jedi Master star 4

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    Personally my only issue would be that I think often its not a "political move" but rather a financial one, basically looking to cast your film as socially important in order to attract greater attention when really its content doesn't merit that.

    I'v actually nothing against cinema looking to take a political role but really I would argue that most of the best female lead roles in blockbusters have really been driven by artistic considerations. Either because the story that's looking to be told is better suited to a female lead or I would argue because this actually often gives you a freer hand dramatically. Blockbusters do generally tend to work rather in dramatic short hand moreso than many other cinematic forms and do aim for mass appeal so follow gender expectations rather more which I think results in female leads being easier to give a broader emotional range to. You look at Rogue One for example and you've got a character who can move from credible warrior to emotional breakdown and back again several times with no problem.
     
  12. Thumper09

    Thumper09 Force Ghost star 4

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    The mayor of Austin, TX, posted an e-mail he received from a man complaining about the Wonder Woman women-only screening. Actually it read more as a rant about women using the cover of the screening as an excuse. The author of the letter called women "the second-rate gender" but then said "I don't hate women." :rolleyes: The mayor posted his response to this letter, and I like the approach he took. Linky
     
  13. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    "I don't hate women, I just think they're inferior to men in every way."

    If that's non-hate, who needs hate...

    We've been talking about that letter in the Wonder Woman thread and it definitely belongs here too. The mayor of Austin is my hero right now.
     
  14. Valairy Scot

    Valairy Scot Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yeah, that's some response! =D=
     
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  15. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    ****in 'A!

    That reply was maximum snark!
     
  16. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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  17. Zapdos

    Zapdos Force Ghost star 5

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    yeah i recognise the swedish reality myself. sometimes it makes it hard for me to participate well in this thread because the topics that come up here sometimes are so farfetched to me. like when it comes to sex ed and abortion and etc, specifically.
     
  18. Juliet316

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  19. heels1785

    heels1785 Skywalker Saga + JCC Manager / Finally Won A Draft star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Was questioning whether this should go in the "Hating Humans" thread, or this one. Figured a discussion may start better here.

    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/ala...y-police-protecting-wealthy-alleged-attacker/

    The line that will make your blood boil:

    Channeling my inner appleseed, reading things like this really make me hate our society. This isn't an instance of Boss Hogg in a deep south small town - this is in ****ing Tuscaloosa, home of the UofA. In a huge college town, you've got ignoramus police officers who obviously lack any sort of training with regard to sexual assaults, an epidemic on college campuses. What could possibly go wrong?

    Also, **** the governor (formerly the horny dentist) and the garbage legislature for doing nothing about that rape law. I hope Megan's family sues the everliving hell out of the Tuscaloosa PD, and that the one or two Democrats in Alabama speak up for her to change that law.
     
  20. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    North Carolina has a law that says that a woman cannot stop sex once it is in progress, so...yeah.

    I don't understand how anyone can possibly "b...bu...but" any of this. I certainly believe that a man accused of rape should be considered innocent until proven guilty but situations like this go way the hell beyond that.
     
  21. redxavier

    redxavier Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Wait, what? Both of those laws sound too insane to be true. Do burglary victims have to prove resistance as well in Alabama? How many in Alabama and North Carolina are aware of these laws? I mean, are they archaic and rarely cited and thus flying under the radar or very much still active? Has there been any attempt to overturn them?

    I can still remember the twisted gut anger I felt watching a video of male frat students chanting "No means yes, yes means ****" over and over. Hearing that there's a problem on college campuses almost comes as no surprise.
     
  22. Mistress_Renata

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    Alabama is one of those "Stand Your Ground/Castle Defense." Burglary victims don't have to prove resistance; I think the assumption is that they're packing and will blow away anyone who tries to take anything from them. Alabama is a very red state.

    Well, you could argue it may have opened minds about the ability of female directors to bring in $$$, which may lead to more opportunities in Hollywood for all women filmmakers. And a lot of young girls now have a main character who is the hero who does the rescuing, rather than wait around for someone to rescue her. Let's face it; even our own Princess Leia had to wait for someone to get her out of that cell.
     
  23. moreorless12

    moreorless12 Jedi Master star 4

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    Sweden has less than 1/4 the rate of teen pregnancy the UK does as well I believe.
     
  24. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 9

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    Wtf? I asked how women only screenings helped women, not how wonder woman helped women. Learn to read please.
     
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  25. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    So, having read the last few posts - damn, what the hell did I just read? So incredibly wrong.