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Senate Let's Talk: Feminism

Discussion in 'Community' started by blubeast1237, Aug 1, 2014.

  1. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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  2. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    #7 - Go Susie Wolff!

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    They also didn't mention her boss, Deputy Team Principal, is:

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    Claire Williams.
     
  3. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    OK, let's talk breasts, namely their primary biological function:

    http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/02/claridges-hotel-breastfeeding-woman-cover-up



    Then, the icing on a glorious mess, enter Nigel Farage and UKIP:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics...arage-breastfeeding-mothers-corner-ukip-video

    I couldn't make this up if I tried. All in all, it's damning.

    Changing tack:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/11/men-high-heels-woman

    I'm pretty much with Ally on this one, anyone care to defend heels as a fashion choice?
     
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  4. Juliet316

    Juliet316 Chosen One star 10

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    Yeah, women in the US get their fair share of breast feeding shaming too, unfortunately.
     
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  5. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I don't think she should have felt "humiliated." The response from the hotel staff was much better than I have seen on the Internet, where people are stupid enough to compare the act of feeding a child to urination or defectation and have the testicularity to suggest that women and their babies not go out in public at all.

    But...I don't think women should feel they have to cover up, I think people can avert their eyes in the half a second that the breast might be exposed before the baby latches on and after he/she finishes.

    I breastfed both kids and never had anyone say anything to me when I did it in public, except for the couple of times I got positive comments.

    As far as heels...they do something for the legs and posture. But I never wear them higher than two inches.
     
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  6. mavjade

    mavjade Former Manager star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    As is the case most of the time, in the above article, the giant napkin makes it much more obvious than before... and you can't see any skin with the baby breast feeding, and even if you could, why should anyone care?

    As Juliet pointed out, this happens in the US quite a bit as well. People have been kicked out of all kinds of establishments, which is actually illegal, but a lot of women either don't know that or it's just easier to leave than it is to fight.
     
  7. slightly_unhinged

    slightly_unhinged Jedi Master star 4

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    They do nothing for me but I'm basically a barbarian born into the wrong age. Women I find attractive generally wear chuck taylors, no make up and keep their fingernails short. Bonus points for callused hands and the ability to deadlift twice bodyweight.

    I'd have been a sucker for Spartan women with their warrior training and heel-kicking displays of strength and athleticism but modern displays of corporate power are not my thing at all.
     
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  8. Only-One Cannoli

    Only-One Cannoli Ex-Mod star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    This is really just one of those things that's "to each their own." I personally love heels. They're comfortable, they're fun to walk in, and I love how they look. I could give a flying **** if it impresses a guy though. I wear whatever the hell I want. If I feel like wearing regular boots, I will. If I want to wear 7" heels, that's my damn choice. I almost feel the anti heel argument usually goes hand in hand with the anti makeup one - with the only difference being comfort. But honestly, have you NEVER bought a pair of flats or boots that cut up your feet? The same goes with heels. If one pair destroys your feet...take it back and get one that doesn't. It's the same with any type of shoe.

    Frankly I just don't believe in judging anyone on what they choose to wear. If it makes them happy, then let them do it. After all, isn't self confidence and doing what you personally want way more attractive than doing what someone else perceives as attractive?
     
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  9. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    If I leave the house without makeup, it's either because I'm sick and going to the doctor, or I'm going to run. Other than that no way in hell.

    I think the feminist statement in all this is that we should not be dictating our clothing preferences by what a man likes and/or we should not feel like we need to wear something uncomfortable to impress men.

    I have a good friend who likes wearing high stilettos, she looks great in them, I'm impressed that she wears them well. I would trip and break both ankles.
     
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  10. Ewok Poet

    Ewok Poet Force Ghost star 6

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    On the other side of the story would be us who don't have a traditional sense of fashion, and all these people who think we need a makeover...one can never win, but I think you have it a tiny bit easier. :(
     
  11. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Chosen One star 7

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    I think respect is a valid factor. For one's self and for others. This can be reflected in attire choice and it isn't wrong.
     
  12. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I have no idea what you mean by "self-respect" in attire choice, at least based on what we're discussing here. As far as "respect for others"...my clothing is designed to make me look a certain way (good) and/or feel a certain way (comfortable and/or confident). Anyone who has a problem with that can and should mind their own damn business, get a job, find a hobby that does not involve scrutinizing the clothing of other people. The exception would be someone who runs fashion shows and is scrutinizing the models.
     
  13. slightly_unhinged

    slightly_unhinged Jedi Master star 4

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    I don't think the article implies any kind of negative judgement of high heels, just a preference for women with sturdy shoes and an abilty to handle their drink.

    We're pretty tribal folk (I am at least) and tend to gravitate towards like minded people. Given that dress is, to some extent, self-expression, it's not really surprising that people tend to make judgements on that basis.

    I think the basic takeaway is 'to each their own'.

    Having said that, I really don't get the hipster tight jeans thing. Those things look really bloody uncomfortable.
     
  14. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    Really liked your entire post but only quoting the bit I'm replying to:

    Since you asked, the answer's yes! The idea that footwear should hurt the wearer isn't one I get. If you like the idea, OK then, don't get it, but hey, it's your feet, your choice.

    But as for 7" heels, have to applaud your sense of balance and coordination!

    I posted it here because it's been a big story over in the UK, wasn't certain of what the US dimension would be.

    EDIT: OK, a bit more about the heels article - it is basically one of bafflement over why anyone would opt for heels, as they cut up your feet and require far more balance ability. Plus, I'm fairly certain Ally would not be at ease trying to talk a woman into wearing heels when she doesn't want to. Same here. If there was something more judgmental or harsh in it, it went right by me.

    BUT... If someone does want to? That there's benefits that they get that out-weigh those costs? That's a different thing entirely.
     
  15. Only-One Cannoli

    Only-One Cannoli Ex-Mod star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Well the thing is, heels *shouldn't* hurt. If they do, the wearer is doing it wrong. It's not a matter of "it's your choice to hurt your feet" if that's what you were just saying. All of my shoes, including my heels, are very comfortable because I do a lot of walking. It's just a misconception that heels are by default uncomfortable.
     
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  16. VadersLaMent

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  17. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    Oho? I'll take your word for it then. From the outside in, they don't look comfortable, but I'll have to put that down to another mark on the deceptive appearances tally.

    I'll admit my view is likely influenced by my wife telling me once that the family viewpoint on shoes is you wear the "right ones" for the occasion and if they hurt too bad. (I disagree with my in-laws greatly on this and a few other things too.)

    Though, logically, it doesn't really stand up does it? Shoemaker issues a line of designs that look great but are a bastard to wear is just begging for someone to come along with a counter that looks great and is easy to wear.

    Certainly easy to mis-perceive this sort of stuff.
     
  18. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I wear my high-heeled boots to work, where I'm on my feet a lot, and they are very comfortable.

    I think it depends on the person and the brand of shoe.
     
  19. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    And good balance/coordination! Mine is, depending on the day, zero or negative numbers!

    (Seriously, I can fall over on any surface. It's perfectly flat? Don't matter, I can still end up on it despite being stone cold sober.)
     
  20. slightly_unhinged

    slightly_unhinged Jedi Master star 4

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    14.5 seconds in high heels is impressive. Clearly you can run in them.

    Can't deadlift in them, though. And - to me - that's kinda important.



     
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  21. Penguinator

    Penguinator Former Mod star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I think, no matter you're wearing, you can have self-respect. That's why it's called "self-respect."

    As for "hipster" tight jeans, or just skinny jeans, or jeans with a cut closer to the leg, they're pretty comfortable. Or at least the ones I have are.
     
  22. EmpireForever

    EmpireForever Force Ghost star 8

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    You can squat in them though.
     
  23. Tabula Rasa

    Tabula Rasa Administrator Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yeah, if you don't have a penis and testicles.
     
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  24. LostOnHoth

    LostOnHoth Chosen One star 5

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    Skin tight jeans should only be worn with a battle jacket, hi-top sneakers, Motley Crüe t-shirt and big hair. The year should also be 1987
     
  25. slightly_unhinged

    slightly_unhinged Jedi Master star 4

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    I think this look is also valid:

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    I have to get mine from a fat guy shop. I might be slightly bitter about it.