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LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY COMPETITION 4 (Updated 11/09 - Entry Deadline Over)

Discussion in 'Fan Films, Fan Audio & SciFi 3D' started by Sage_Halcyon, Jul 31, 2005.

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  1. Dako

    Dako Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I stand corrected. It must've also been mind boggling because at that point you had already judged 18 clips.
     
  2. AidanOnasi

    AidanOnasi Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I entered that competition with the hopes of serious critique, and I came away with: Practice more.

    No offence, but I do really think that "Practice more" is really an adequate critique for your "fight". Are you asking me what's so bad on your entry? Well, for example, look at Ryan vs. Brandon entry and compare it with yours. Speed, energy, nice combos, good choreography - it really looks like some kind of fight, that they really want to kill each other. When I was watching your clip, I thought, that It's some kind of test and that the real fight is gonna come later. well, it didn't...and that's bad [face_shame_on_you] watch RvB several times and try to figure out, what you should improve. then try it, practice it and I think that after some time even mr. Dorkman's gonna give you some good feedback. If not, your practicing wasn't good enough. Good luck [face_peace]
     
  3. Darth_Carl

    Darth_Carl Jedi Youngling star 1

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    To be honest, I don't find RvB very spectacular.
    They have some nice moves, like the two first clips or so, but I wouldn't say it's so intense. Brandon is at sometimes (especially towards the end) really sloppy, and his whole bodylanguage sais: "Hey, I'm a potatoesack!".

    And the choreography?
    Well, when brandon made his spin for the fifth time it felt pretty done, and sure it has variation from time to time, still it's abit of the generall left right, left, right middle, left right... and unessesary spinns.

    I mean sure, it's better than most Fanfights, but Art of the saber has so much more intense and acting to there fight - becouse when you fight onscreen you need to act, you can't just wave with your wrists, it's about the whole body beeing present in every movement.

    Edit:
    Sorry if I got abit aggressive or so; but I've noticed a kind of worship for RvBs fight here on the forum. I don't think there fight is bad, but it's not that much of a cake!

    So my tip is; whatch a couple of HK swordplay/oldschool movies and see how they fight with weopons; whatch how they use there whole bodies for everymovement and how they vary in choegraphy and aply everything that you can manage yourself ('cos those girls and boys are good I tell you).
     
  4. AidanOnasi

    AidanOnasi Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Of course, Art of the Saber, I forget. Yes, if you want to see really the best fanfilm choreography ever, watch AotS, but I don't think it will help you. Because I think, that Calvin Ho (choreographer of AotS) is really some kind of martial art specialist, so you would have to study martial art for a really long time to fight like one of them. From the point of view of normal people, it's much better to watch RvB, because Ryan and Brandon ARE normal people too, so it makes me think, that what THEY can do, WE can do too...8-} And after all, my opinion is, that RvB is really an LS fight. AotS is much more an exhibition of japanese martial arts WITH LIGHTSABERS....
    And yes, I really like RvB!!! [face_laugh] [face_dancing]
     
  5. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films/NSA Mod & Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    AotS is what I think a lightsaber duel should look like. And they're obviosuly using Wushu, which is a Chinese martial art, not a Japanese.
    I think RvB is ok. Some really great choreography ideas (like when Ryan grabs Brandon's shirt to pull him closer - that's awsome!), but the execution is really sloppy. Doesn't really look like they're fighting - most of the time it looks like they are executing choreography. There's no fight on their faces. Also, their footwork is non-existing. Footwork is really hard to get right, but is extremely important. I know our fight doesn't have the best footwork, which you will see in a few days, but at least we tried. It doesn't look like Ryan and Brandon really tried. It actually doesn't look like they cared about it at all.

    Just my $0,02.
     
  6. Funk-E

    Funk-E Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Wushu is all well and good, but it's not the end-all be-all of fight choreography.
     
  7. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films/NSA Mod & Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Never said it was! I just stated that I think AotS is a fantastic lightsaber duel, and RvB is not.
     
  8. AidanOnasi

    AidanOnasi Jedi Youngling star 1

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    And they're obviosuly using Wushu, which is a Chinese martial art, not a Japanese.

    Hehe, as you can see, I know a little about martial arts. srry for the mistake, now i know it :)

    All I wanted to say is that i think that RvB looks really good and fast and that's what it's all about (at least in LS duels). Maybe I'm wrong, but this is what I think.

    I'm really looking forward to see all the LCC4 entries!

    And another thing - I really like RvB, but i like AotS even more! It's awesome, but it's nearly impossible to fight like they are for the people like us. and this is the reason why i prefer comparing another entries with RvB
     
  9. VaporTrail

    VaporTrail Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    but it's nearly impossible to fight like they are for the people like us.

    That depends on how you define "people like us".
    And yeah, just wait til you see my fights.
    =)
     
  10. AidanOnasi

    AidanOnasi Jedi Youngling star 1

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    That depends on how you define "people like us".
    people without martial art experience ;)
    can't wait to see your entry [face_peace]
     
  11. Darth_Carl

    Darth_Carl Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Martial arts are ofcourse a good ground to stand on when doing LS-fights.
    But anyone can, with the right knowledge and some practice achieve quite a good LS-fight...
    ^_^
     
  12. AidanOnasi

    AidanOnasi Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Yes, that's what i mean. But not as good as in AotS. You would need to train a bit more to handle this
     
  13. Darth_Carl

    Darth_Carl Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Yes, the only thing I don't really like with AotS is how the fight ends. Could have been a nicer kill so to say.
    and that's a question of taste :p
     
  14. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films/NSA Mod & Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Yes, but I'd say you need a heck of a lot more knowledge than what you get from watching TPM and RotS to make a good LS-fight. I don't know if anyone remembers it, but back in '99-'00 alot of people lifted the choreography straight off the end duel between Obi-Wan and Maul to use in their fan films (Clay Kronke's The New World and the "matrix test" comes to mind, but also a lot of other fan films!), but it never looked as good as in TPM! Why? I'd say because of the stances and footwork. Ray Park is a wushu practitioner, and therefore uses a lot of "kung fu"-stances. The guys who for some reason plagiated the choreography for their fan films never got a hold of this - most likely because they weren't real martial artists. So what am I trying to say? Well, something along the lines of that you probably need some martial arts/fencing background to be able to create really great duels. Not necessarily wushu, or other Chinese styles, but kendo, fencing, or even European broadsword practice - anything that makes you aware of how a sword should be handled, and the forgotten/ignored part of how you should move your body. There's more to dueling than moving the arms. Every other part of your body must be focused as well.

    This isn't directed to anyone in particular, it is simply my view on what's important in the making of a lightsaber duel.
     
  15. FruityTooty

    FruityTooty Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Dude, there's one reason the people trying to do the TPM fight looked worse than Ray and Ewan.

    Ray and Ewan are both great swordfighters. Ray because of years of experience, Ewan because of months of practice. Forget wushu. They had been practicing hours a day, every day, for months and months.
     
  16. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films/NSA Mod & Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    EDIT 2: Hell, I'll try to explain. I'm kind of in a bad mood right now, so if I seem mean or something, it's nothing personal.


    This is what I'm saying! You need a good basis to be able to perform well in a (choreographed) swordfight! Either it's the "years of experience" you mentioned (IE his years of experience in wushu), or the "months of practice".
    Read my post again!

    EDIT 3: spelling
     
  17. Darth_Carl

    Darth_Carl Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Hey, I was only trying to give them some hope mate ;)

    But TCF, you're compeletly right, you need to practice. And martial arts are a good benefit. So, really you who want to improve your LS-skills, maybe should try out some wushu or tai-chi or whatever. In kung fu (icluding wushu) you won't learn to swing sword the first thing you do, it probably takes a cup of years, but you will definetly learn to control your body much better within six months.
     
  18. AidanOnasi

    AidanOnasi Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Just a few hours and maybe that we will see something, that's gonna be even better than Art of the Saber!
    I'm so impatient, I just can't wait until 15th :_| Give us LCC 4! [face_laugh]
     
  19. cloneextra1

    cloneextra1 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Just don't look for it in my entry [face_worried] :)
     
  20. JEDIBYKNIGHT

    JEDIBYKNIGHT Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Yeah, I can't wait for the 15th either. I mean, the season 2 DVD of Scrubs hits the shelves!! I'm happy you guys share my excitement.



    :p
     
  21. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films/NSA Mod & Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Oooh, I love Scrubs! :D
     
  22. Sage_Halcyon

    Sage_Halcyon Jedi Master star 4

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    Scrubs rule. I wouldn't mind watching Season 2 either. You know... Since I've already seen all the LCCIV entries...

    :p

    Sage H.
     
  23. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films/NSA Mod & Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Pure evil! [face_worried]
     
  24. Sage_Halcyon

    Sage_Halcyon Jedi Master star 4

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  25. Centius

    Centius Jedi Youngling

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    Are they going to be released right at midnight or sometime later on in the day?
     
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