Excellent thread topic Master MacetheCouncillor This is NOT meant to offend anyone, but I've noticed that the only people around here bashing NG's George Lucas supported Lightsaber ranking are fans who seemed a little "peeved" that their favorite character was "dissed" to a lower tier than they expected. These are mostly Obi-Wan Kenobi fans who feel that since he survives ROTS and others don't he should "automaticly" be ranked higher. This notion makes no sense what-so-ever based on whats shown onscreen. 1. We see Darth Maul suffer only a split hilt before easily force pushing Kenobi down a shaft....and from there its classic Lucas storytelling....leaving us to wonder..."why someone with split second Sith level reflexes cannot adapt to a man jumping from 12 feet below his position unarmed and landing armed in from of you after clearing your entire body?" We're led to believe in ROTS that this manuver is childlike and suicidal...by the way Kenobi tells/warns Anakin against trying a version of it. So basicly what we see is Kenobi get schooled by Darth Maul and somehow win in the end....but Kenobi is definitely shown NOT to be better than Darth Maul.(Not even hardcore Kenobi fans can say Kenobi displayed more skill) 2. Next in AOTC....Kenobi is shown to have trouble even with non-force using Bounty Hunter Jango Fett...and later he is schooled by Count Dooku....only Anakin and later Yoda save him from certain death. 3. Next in ROTS he is once again schooled by Dooku and left for dead....to be carried away by Anakin. He later holds his own against Grevious before losing his lightsaber and being beaten down in hand-to-hand combat. He is saved from death at the last moment by the luck of a waiting blaster a few yards from his position. 4. He shows us his defensive mastery on Mustafar and beats Anakin straight up. But he is NEVER shown in a manner that would suggest he is at the Yoda/Mace/Sidious level. He gets disarmed in almost all of his fights....and seems to be more lucky than good. I love the Kenobi character personally, but I don't see why some feel you must tear the other ones down to build him up....regardless of what Lucas says?