Speculation Likelihood-of-Williams-Scoring Debate

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode VII and Beyond (Archive)' started by Darth_Articulate, Dec 18, 2012.

  1. Darth_Articulate Force Ghost

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    Obviously, everyone would love for John Williams to score 7-9, but it seems there is a disagreement on the likelihood of this happening for two basic reasons:

    1) Williams is semi-retired and only does Spielberg stuff
    2) He would only come out of retirement if something interested him enough.

    I'll take the devil's advocate position here, go out on a limb and say neither of these reasons are enough to make his involvement unlikely. It's still a 50/50 chance to me.

    On the first point, I'm sure Williams had no idea there would be a new Star Wars Trilogy when he made that statement. Lucas and Spielberg are very close friends with both each other and with Williams, and if this trilogy closes out the trilogy of trilogies, I'm sure Lucas would have some pull with Williams in helping the three trilogy set have some musical continuity.

    On the second point, Williams as always been vocal about what a unique and wonderful experience working on Star Wars films has been musically. I don't see why a final trilogy of the Saga wouldn't have inherent interest to him.

    Discuss.
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  3. Jobertus Jedi Grand Master

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    I hope he has the energy to do it, it would be weird to have a Star Wars trilogy without him.
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  4. Pro Scoundrel Chosen One

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    If his health is good then I'm sure he'll do it.
  5. TheManFromMortis Jedi Grand Master

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    My feeling is this. If Williams is still alive, willing, and able, he will score Episode VII. If, for any reason, he isn't able to, I'd expect that we will still have a heavily Williams-influenced score for the ST. Beyond that, when it comes to spin-off films or entirely new trilogies, I suspect we could then expect to hear something new in style but still, in the short term, retaining Williams references.
  6. Pro Scoundrel Chosen One

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    I expect others to score the spinoff movies, but I hope John Williams can complete the ST, so that it will be a complete body of work. No one should work on the episodes but him.
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  7. KED12345 Force Ghost

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    I can see him co-scoring. That is, him doing the major motifs, with another composer doing the heavy stuff.

    He is getting very old, after all. And I doubt beyond VII. If he does it, something tells me it will be based off solely self interest. Because, let's admit it, the single constant in the Star Wars saga is Williams excellent score.
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  8. Lando's Little Maneuver Jedi Master

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    I hadn't even considered that he wouldn't be doing it.
    I suppose he is getting on in years, but I suspect if anyone else were to take over they would borrow heavily from the themes that Willams has already contributed.
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  9. Darth kRud Jedi Grand Master

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  10. phatdude1138 Force Ghost

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    Does anyone know what kind of relationship Abrams has with Williams? If any?
  11. yggdrasil311 Force Ghost

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  12. Count Yubnub Force Ghost

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    The likelihood of that depends on whether you take a frequentist or a Bayesian approach. [face_plain]
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  13. Pimpsy Jedi Master

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    I actually want Michael Giacchino to score the movie. Who cares if its not very 'star wars'-y... Just listen to this stuff.

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  14. phatdude1138 Force Ghost

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    If it comes down to money, let me steal a popular line from Jurassic Park: "Spare NO expense!"

    I think this would be a big hit for fans and be a small win for Abrams and the new team.
  15. Darth Claire Chosen One

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    I hope he returns but if he doesn't I can understand. The dude's like 80. If its not Williams, then I say get Giacchino *but maybe have him work with Williams just cause....why not*
  16. BigAl6ft6 Chosen One

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    I'm calling John Williams / Michael Giacchino combo score!
  17. LunarMoth Force Ghost

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    Where are we getting these two reasons from?

    I think the biggest thing in question is age vs. the length of the commitment. In that case there are two, perhaps more, things to consider:

    1. Have Williams do Ep VII and play it by ear for the rest.
    2. Assume he will not be able to do all three, so use someone else from the start. (Of course main themes and style would be done in line with the original stuff anyway, and hopefully well.)

    Now as far as want goes: John Williams is an icon when it comes to scoring films. His themes are the amongst the most recognizable pieces of music in history. A Star Wars movie without him would be like family dinner with someone missing. We would all want him to score every Star Wars film ever, but unfortunately, we know that can't happen.

    I do hope we at least get Ep VII with a full Williams score.
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  18. Gallandro Chosen One

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    He wont, Michael Giacchino will be scoring this film. He has worked with Abrams and scored every project he's ever directed since the Alias pilot up to Star Trek Into Darkness. Now I could see Williams taking a role like he did with Superman IV. For those not familiar, Christopher Reeves originally wanted Williams back, but Williams was too busy at the time, so he suggested his friend and former orchestrator, Alexander Courage (of Star Trek fame) write the score for Supes... however, Williams did lend his support for the project and wrote a couple of themes for the film including the Nuclear Man theme and a Lacy Warfield love theme. I suspect Williams might take a similar role and write a major theme or two for the film, letting Giacchino take over scoring duties.

    Yancy
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  19. Gallandro Chosen One

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    Here's a sample which gives you a better flavor of his work. Versatile to say the least... probably my favorite composer working today (with the exception of Williams) :

  20. Gallandro Chosen One

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    And of course his Oscar winning music from Pixar's Up.

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  21. Bib Fartuna Jedi Grand Master

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    How old is the Maestro now? How old will he be the year Episode VII is released (2015/16?) - as the film score is one of the last things completed for the movie. How old will Mr. Williams be when Episode IX is released?

    Who will score the spinoff films?
  22. Luukeskywalker Chosen One

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    Ummm, who cares if the score is not Star Wars-y? That is blasphemy.
  23. Gallandro Chosen One

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    John Williams is 80 now, so he would be 82 by the time he was scoring Episode VII. As for the spin off films... I suspect they will be scored by whomever the director of each film is comfortable with. So let's say Brad Bird directed a film, Giacchino would likely be his choice, Zack Snyder would probably use Tyler Bates as he has a few times. Just depends.

    Yancy
  24. gregvader123 Jedi Master

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    If Disney went and got Kasdan (who hasn't written a script for a movie he didn't direct since ROTJ) then they will get Williams, unless he dies first.
  25. Bib Fartuna Jedi Grand Master

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    I hope that whoever scores the spinoff films, still keeps the opening theme, and other familiar cues, whilst still contributing something original to the music of the saga.