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Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Completed Shows' started by Gry Sarth, Dec 7, 2010.

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  1. fistofan1

    fistofan1 Jedi Master star 4

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    Understandable. I'd be too busy trying to swipe Dave's hat than pay attention to the episodes. :p

    I kid, I kid. ;)
     
  2. maderic

    maderic Jedi Knight star 3

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    How is any of this canon-wrecking mess George's fault? He didn't write this... well, I won't call it what I feel like I should so I'll replace the bad word with "stuff." SIgh.


     
  3. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    Because Lucas told the writers what to write. There are several instances where he over-route a more canon friendly story (Rlyoth for example. Its tide locked nature was going to be a plot point, be he removed said plot point for unknown reasons, and inserted several references to the planet not being tide locked.)
     
  4. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    What canon-wrecking mess?
     
  5. GGrievous

    GGrievous Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    It's not little simple examples, the entire series basically contradicts canon. Some episodes have it more than others, and some may be fine. Tonight's episode will definitely be a problem.
     
  6. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    I can't see how. Insider already explained how does this new Ventress story fits within the EU. What else is a problem?
     
  7. GGrievous

    GGrievous Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I think they need to rethink that.
     
  8. MakingStarWars

    MakingStarWars Jedi Master star 4

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    It's a freakin' awesome story. I don't know the EU story that well, but it works on screen and I think that's what matters.
     
  9. MarkVader1991

    MarkVader1991 Jedi Knight star 3

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    I'd agree with that, as long as it's entertaining I'm fine with it.
     
  10. maderic

    maderic Jedi Knight star 3

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    We have proof that George Lucas told people what to write for this? If so, where?

    Arbitrarily resurrecting a dead character (who died on-screen in one of the films, the highest form of canon!) for literally no reason. But hey, let's not care about the fundamentals of a coherent story. Maybe he hired the writers of "Days of Our Lives."
     
  11. Swashbucklingjedi

    Swashbucklingjedi Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    well it was Serenno since Dooku stayed there and don't go Dathomir until next episodeso_O
     
  12. Swashbucklingjedi

    Swashbucklingjedi Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    George himself is behind these changes Filoni and others confirm it- they did what they could to preserve some parts of the eu - George's daughter wrote this- but Lucas decided the biggest change that Ventress is from Dathomir and he also decided all that Maul stuff i'm very sure
     
  13. maderic

    maderic Jedi Knight star 3

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    Is there proof of this, of this extent of Lucas' involvement? I can't see him personally crafting such shoddy storytelling. The fact that his daughter wrote it is irrelevant; Katie is not George.
     
  14. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    Who are you to say that change is for no reason? And how do you know that character is alive? And the EU had already ressurected him before, so the "canon-wrecking mess" starts from there.
     
  15. fistofan1

    fistofan1 Jedi Master star 4

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    The resurrection of fan-favorite Star Wars characters is nothing new. We have:

    Boba Fett, who fell into the mouth of an immobile sand monster. It was later retconned that he blasted his way out in a blaze of glory.

    Emperor Palpatine, who fell down an elevator shaft. It was later retconned that he came back as an uber-powerful clone and wreaked his vengeance on an unsuspecting galaxy.

    Darth Maul, who got cut in half by a Padawan. He came back with longer horns and cyber-legs to kill Obi-Wan Kenobi.

    This is a trend that, while a little unsettling, is pretty much never going to change. :p
     
  16. maderic

    maderic Jedi Knight star 3

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    Maul served his purpose in Episode I. There's no reason to bring him back. It's weak storytelling. There's a reason that soap operas are mocked for exactly the same tactic; it's contrived. The EU that brought him back was Visionaries; not a source of canon, but a what-if situation. But I digress...

    fistofan1: Those are three prime examples of exactly what I'm talking about: poor storytelling by EU writers. It just perpetuates what I'm against. For the sake of civility, I won't continue this because I am admittedly hostile to the EU and I don't mean to further derail this thread or antagonize people who actually do like it. I am interested in knowing, for sure, how much control over content Lucas has in this and input into the creative process he has.
     
  17. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    So, you know the story then. Do you mind to share it with us? Is he alive or dead?
     
  18. Garth Maul

    Garth Maul Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    According to Dave, George wanted to do (or re-do) Ventress' back story, he told them what he wanted and then they got Katie Lucas to try writing the actual screenplay.
     
  19. Swashbucklingjedi

    Swashbucklingjedi Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    if you don't believe he is behind this himself you don't know him- Filoni at least if he speaks truth told how George Lucas wanted to explore Asajj's past like no one would have explored it before- and so it is George has said it many times he do n't care about eu that's not part of his SW and he wanted Ventress to be witch- Katie wrote the story but after EU and her father's ideas so don't blame her she did research to add and salvage eu but Lucas wouldn't have cared if all would have been changed in his universe Ventress has no backstory at all....
     
  20. Swashbucklingjedi

    Swashbucklingjedi Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    i don't think anyone other than George would have dared to even think about such idea in this series- but Lucas probably wanted to change his saga once again but i agree bringing Maul back is his stupidest decision yet.... ok after Greedo shooting first that sucked.....
     
  21. Asharak

    Asharak Jedi Master star 4

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    To those who have seen the ending of the trilogy, how is Asajjs escape from the dual with Dooku?

    To me it would make the most sense if she had been killed of at the end of this three parter. She has burned her bridges with Dooku and completely failed to kill him several times, what?s left for her character to do in the series? Seeing her continue to try and kill Dooku repeatedly for the rest of the series seams a bit unoriginal in the long run.

    I know she wasn?t killed in the theatrical version, but I?m thinking that perhaps she will die in the TV version. After all it?s possible they showed an alternate ending in the theater, so that not everyone would know Asajj dies in part 3 over a month before the episode went on air.
     
  22. Swashbucklingjedi

    Swashbucklingjedi Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    would be too cunning- ending would be completely different- whole maul thing would be hoax and they would be like "We fooled you people Maul is not alive":p and ventress would die.... sorry but i don't believe they will change that- theatre version is same as tv-version for sure
     
  23. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Savage fights his way out and flees back to the Mother. She vows to help him get revenge (that seems to be her thing). She says he can do it... she walks over to a crystal ball. He can do it if he finds his brother... The camera zooms to the ball and Darth Maul's face is in it. He's alive and in hiding. He can find the answers by wearing a talisman that will take him to his long lost brother.

    Man, my mouth is kinda hanging open in shock right now. Maul already came back canonically once in a Tales comic, but I sure wasn't expecting him in Clone Wars.
     
  24. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    We don't even know if he's alive or dead.
     
  25. FistoFan93

    FistoFan93 Jedi Knight star 4

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    The insider apparantly says he's alive and living in the outer rim so yes, Maul IS alive.
     
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