Amph Live action Ghost in the Shell movie

Discussion in 'Community' started by Lord Vivec, Jan 5, 2015.

  1. Lord Vivec Force Ghost

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    So, my hopes that all the director/writer changes meant that this was going to stay in development hell forever have been squashed as today ScarJo was announced to star as Motoko Kusanagi.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...r-in-live-action-Ghost-in-the-Shell-film.html

    I can't wait to find out how this takes place in America and how it'll be a bay-esque action flick ignoring the themes of the source material.
  2. GenAntilles Jedi Grand Master

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    Edge of Tomorow was still good after being heavily adapted though.
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  3. Diggy Jedi Grand Master

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    Thanks for raising awareness! Consider my ticket bought!
  4. Jabba-wocky Chosen One

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    Nothing like a white woman to play a convincing Japanese national.
  5. Lord Vivec Force Ghost

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    But they need someone good looking!
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  6. Jabba-wocky Chosen One

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    In that case, I could name at least one other person of the appropriate age to play the role.
  7. DarthMane2 Jedi Grand Master

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    Don't know if the whitewashing arguement really works here. India did an Oldboy adaption too, you know. If America is adapting a Japanese property, wouldn't logically be Americanized? Scarjo has proven a profitable actress, and thus was cast as the lead. I would rather have had Emily blunt myself.

    Marion Cotillard..mmmm yes yes. She can play the robot women who's hooked up to all the machinary. [face_blush]

    Of course Gibson would have given us our more Japanese situated movie.

    Neither writer or director impress me here, but who knows. I've seen Ghost in the Shell onced. I liked it because other people like it too. I don't remember what it's about or what happened. I saw stuff happening, but the Japanese way of telling stories is either boring or completely confusing. Sometimes both.

    My eyes saw it, I know that much.
  8. Jabba-wocky Chosen One

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    You can adapt a story when its essentials can be transferred from one setting to another without changing the content of the story. Oldboy, for instance, is from what I understand a bizarre story about revenge and incest. These themes aren't confined to one cultural context, so the story can be told and re-told many places. Ghost in The Shell, by contrast, is about a branch of the Japanese government. It's bureaucratic interactions with other parts of said government, and Japan's place in world geopolitics figure prominently into all the tales in this series, across several genres. Removing the particular sense of Japanese nationhood and history would alter all this dramatically.
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  10. Ender Sai Chosen One

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    Oldboy didn't work because Americans lack any form of subtlety and must do everything with the heaviest of hands. A British remake would not have been a thousand percent ****.

    (See also: the grace of Infernal Affairs versus the pompous bull**** of The Departed)

    As for this; I understand the argument in favour of Westernising a Japanese IP and you have to consider in some part the English language dubs of these anime films do that. But I think it's fair to say Wocky is right; it's inherently a Japanese tale. Westernising it makes no sense.

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  11. Lord Vivec Force Ghost

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    What Wocky said.

    Ghost in the Shell is a very Japanese story. The context of Japanese history is important, as well as culture and themes. Americanizing it would not work. You'd get something called Ghost in the Shell but it wouldn't be Ghost in the Shell.
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  12. VadersLaMent Chosen One

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    Akira is overrated.
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  13. Ender Sai Chosen One

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    I love this so, so much.
  14. Diggy Jedi Grand Master

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    Knowing abs nothing about this, can you post a pic of the character?
  15. Jabba-wocky Chosen One

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    [IMG]

    It's not even so much about the one single character, though. It's a story with Japanese sensibilities about Japanese people that work in the Japanese government. For Johanson to fit in that world, they either have to bend backwards with explanations about how she got there, or more likely alter the entire setting. Neither of which leaves the integrity of the story very much intact.
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  16. Ender Sai Chosen One

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    Yeah I think you need to at least see the anime film, Diggy, before it'll really hit home. GITS (lol): Stand Alone Complex is a good series, but the film's an easier starting point.
  17. GenAntilles Jedi Grand Master

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    I doubt the movie will take place in Japan or follow the source very closely. At best it'll have some of the themes, and a similar plot, but ultimately it's an adaptation.

    I mean a Fist Full of Dollars is still a good movie even if it's just a Westernized version of Yojimbo.

    Isn't that the same with Godzilla though? Yet the latest Godzilla movie took place mostly in the US and still hit all the major themes?
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  18. Ender Sai Chosen One

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    Yeah they'll focus on the whole cybercrime part of it. Which is why I have to ask why they just don't do an original story instead of calling it Ghost in the Shell? [face_flag]
  19. GenAntilles Jedi Grand Master

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    Easier to market if it's a famous property already.
  20. Darth Guy Chosen One

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    something something Kate Beckinsale
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  21. Lord Vivec Force Ghost

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    Yeah, they totally hit on the horrors of the Atomic Bombings of Japan in the latest Godzilla film.

    ...
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  22. GenAntilles Jedi Grand Master

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    Isn't Godzilla supposed to be more of a good guy now in Japanese culture? I mean 90% of all the Godzilla movies I saw as a kid was him saving Japan from some monster.
  23. Ender Sai Chosen One

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    Are you one of those people, GenAntilles, who thinks American values are fairly universal and most things can apply to said values? It feels like, yes, yes you are.
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  24. GenAntilles Jedi Grand Master

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    Eh, more like human values are fairly universal. I mean that's why stories resonant, they are universal. You don't have to be a particular race or nationality to understand or empathize or get the message. Acting like a story is locked into one setting and can't be adapted to something else is silly. The characters, setting, etc... all of it isn't needed. All you need is the message the story is telling, that's the heart of it.
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  25. Penguinator RPF Modinator and Batmanager

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    Perhaps nowadays, but in the original film he was very much an unstoppable force of nature. Literally everyone who comes into contact with him (before his big reveal) winds up dead, and not just because they get squished; incidental and coincidental meetings meant they were doomed too, which is very deliberately done to invoke the idea of contact with radioactive material and subsequent death. He's decidedly not a good guy on his first outing.
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