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Discussion in 'Revenge of the Sith (Non-Spoilers)' started by Ghost_Jedi, Feb 23, 2004.

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  1. Ghost_Jedi

    Ghost_Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    In ANH Darth Vader is referred to as Lord Vader. What exactly is he lord of? and do you think we will find out in episode iii?
     
  2. Blackout

    Blackout Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Dark Lord of the Sith.

    Although it ain't much of a title as there are only two of them. And he ain't the boss :p

    I reckon the Palps gave him the title to make him feel important ;)

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  3. Obi-Bob

    Obi-Bob Jedi Youngling star 2

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    In AOTC Sidious refered to Dooku as Lord Tyranus also.

    I imagine all of the Sith are given to title Lord.
     
  4. Ghost_Jedi

    Ghost_Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    The whole reason Im asking, is that he is being referred to as Lord Vader by Imperial Officers. Do you think that they know he is Sith? We know that Darth=Sith, but does everyone in gffa know that. Especially since the last time the Sith were around was over 1000 years before tpm.
     
  5. LORDeron_MAULer

    LORDeron_MAULer Jedi Padawan star 4

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    i think its just an show of important title, as what else would they call him. He is like the Emperor's assistant, a Warlord. or just a lord in the heirarchy
     
  6. stormcloud8

    stormcloud8 Jedi Master star 4

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    In the OT, the Imperials believe Vader is the last of his kind. They know about his Sith ways, and his use of the Force. So addressing him as Lord makes sense, because they know he is a Dark Lord of the Sith.

    The real question is, who knows that Sidious is a Dark Lord of the Sith?
     
  7. Ghost_Jedi

    Ghost_Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    ^don't you mean Palpatine?
     
  8. stormcloud8

    stormcloud8 Jedi Master star 4

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    I decided to call him Sidious...since this is the III forum...
     
  9. Master_Starwalker

    Master_Starwalker Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I think only Vader and the Jedi know that Palpatine is a Sith Lord but everyone knows Vader is.
     
  10. KaaShamau

    KaaShamau Jedi Padawan star 4

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    addressing him as Lord makes sense, because they know he is a Dark Lord of the Sith.

    Are you sure? In ANH Tarkin refers to Vader as the last of the Jedi religion, and Motti incorrectly labels the Force as the religion. So it seems that the Imperials don't understand the history of the Jedi order and the Sith (is there any evidence that they even know of the Sith? Even the Jedi had written them off by the time of TPM).

    Also, since Tarkin calls Vader the last of the Jedi, he probably doesn't know that the Emperor commands similar powers. Or, he knows that the Emperor is a force user but is not a Jedi?

    My head hurts... :)
     
  11. Aunecah_Skywalker

    Aunecah_Skywalker Jedi Knight star 5

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    Didn't the Neimoidians call Sidious "Lord Sidious" in TPM :confused:

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  12. jedi_master_ousley

    jedi_master_ousley Manager Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yep. :)

    Its just a title--people don't have to know the person is a Sith to call them that. Different planet cultures have different ranking systems--Naboo has a Queen, other planets have presidents, chancellors, etc.--they could just assume that's how it works.

    Also, the Nemoidians did know that Sidious and Maul were Sith. Remember, one of them (don't remember which off the top of my head) said "Now there are two of them!" Also, according to the novelization, they knew they were Sith.

    As for everyone else, I'm not sure, but its a title, sorta like "Count" Dooku, "Supreme Chancellor" Palpatine, etc.
     
  13. EMPEROR_WINDU

    EMPEROR_WINDU Jedi Master star 5

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    nute gunray knows sidious is a sith lord
     
  14. Ghost_Jedi

    Ghost_Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    I'm not sure, but its a title, sorta like "Count" Dooku, "Supreme Chancellor" Palpatine, etc

    Yeah but in tpm Padme is the Queen of Naboo
    Dooku is the Count of his home planet.
    Palpatine is the Supreme Chancellor of Republic Senate.
    Geore Bush is President of the United States.
    Colin Powell was the General of United States Armed Services

    You see all of these relate to a specific location or position; they are just not walking around saying hi, call me Duke, their title indicates a specific ranking of a praticular place or orgabization.

    Which leads me back to the question of what is he Lord of??
    The emperial staff seem to identify him as a Jedi, and not as a Sith. So he is lord of something? or what?
     
  15. KaaShamau

    KaaShamau Jedi Padawan star 4

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    He is a Lord of the Sith. The Emperor understands that, and Vader understands that. It'd be a pretty dumb (and soon dead) Imperial to question them.

    EDIT: I think he has a castle or something, maybe they assume he's the lord of that or whatever region it's in.
     
  16. Aunecah_Skywalker

    Aunecah_Skywalker Jedi Knight star 5

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    Or it could be that since Palpatine calls Vader "Lord Vader," the rest of the Imperials call him that too. Or it could be that Vader insists that they call him "Lord Vader."

    In any case, I don't think the "Lord" part has anything to do with being the lord of something.

    -Aunecah
     
  17. EMPEROR_WINDU

    EMPEROR_WINDU Jedi Master star 5

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    hes the dark lord of the sith, and if i saw the emperor call him Lord, id do the same if i was an underling
     
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