Lit Lost Stars, the Japanese webcomic

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  1. DARTH_MU Jedi Master

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    If I were going to be really paranoid nitpicky the book, this is my only complaint.

    Of course the poor (finanically) foolish farmer girl joins the "evil" Empire. The rich men who does a "honest" living by the "smart" thing lifestyle would of course join the "righteous" Rebel Alliance."
  2. Vialco Jedi Grand Master

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    I like your observation that Nash could have been saved, if he'd had a friend that cared enough to help him. It's too bad he thought Ciena was that friend and things never worked out between them. She was always in love with Thane.

    But I think that Nash could have been reached and saved, had someone that cared about him tried. You're right that he didn't commit any atrocities, but serving the Imperial Military is bad enough as it is.
  3. Charlemagne19 Force Ghost

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    Nash, by the end, is the model of a Modern Major Imperial as he has his personal toady beside him and all the frothing madness of a die hard fanatic. It was his own transformation along with Cienna's and Nash's.

    But yes, he says as much. The Empire is all he has left.
  4. MartyAvidianus Jedi Padawan

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    so basically he needed a "friend" who defected to the rebels.

    define saved.

    If only Thane had a good enough friend to save him. Wait he did, and she tried. But all he could think of is what to do with the valley girl who had a pair of .....
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  5. Charlemagne19 Force Ghost

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    The only moment which felt like idiocy in the books was when Ciena was HORRIFIED Nash tried to kill Thane.

    You know, when his "old friend" shows up in a battle trying to kill them.

    That did not cover our heroine in glory.
  6. MartyAvidianus Jedi Padawan

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  7. Axrendale Jedi Padawan

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    I think it wasn't so much the fact that Nash wanted to kill Thane, as it was the revelation of just how twisted and fanatical Nash had become without her realizing it. Because even though most of Ciena's prior interactions with Nash were an awkward mix of showing sympathy for his emotional plight while dodging his increasingly creepy advances, I think it's clear that he meant something important to her, which got shattered in that moment.

    When Ciena and Thane are back on Jelucan in the Fortress, having their post-coital debate about the merits of serving versus fighting the Empire (Side note: there is no better time to debate politics with your significant other than during the post-coital moment. This is objective truth, not opinion.) Ciena explicitly cites Nash Windrider as the sort of person who embodies the Empire at its best - the dutiful loyalist who stayed true to the cause because of the greater good it represents. I think that we're meant to infer that Nash's loyalty to the Empire was a significant comfort to her - if he's still able to see good in the Empire after what he experienced, then how can she possibly doubt the righteousness of their service?

    The revelation that Nash isn't actually standing by the Empire because he shares her idealistic views about what it can and should be, but because the trauma of what happened has driven him insane, is therefore a major Uh Oh moment for her.
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  8. Charlemagne19 Force Ghost

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    I guess it's a weird moment for Ciena to abandon Nash because his reaction is perfectly understandable and normal. If a friend faked their death and they next were part of Al-Qaeda, you'd have a similar reaction I'd wager. Especially if you mourned them and they're coming after you directly.

    Ciena's reaction is understandable in that she loves Thane but it's also weird how little she seems to realize what it looks like to everyone else.
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  9. godisawesome Jedi Master

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    I kind of read it as a reversal of the traditional Imperial and Rebel tropes: the usual take is that innocent farm/blue collar kids from happy families inevitably join the Rebellion (Skywalker, Darklighter, Legends Wedge Antilles, Legends Kyle Katarn, etc.) while Imperials are more likely to be upper clusters with fancy accents.

    Cienna's not alone in being a farm girl; in Legends, Soontir Fel was a farm boy. But I really wouldn't classify Thane as someone making an "honest living by the smart thing lifestyle" since the central tenant of his youthful characterization is that he rejects and rages against his family, since it's an abusive home and he can see how foolish and shallow his people can be. And he and Cienna both decide at a young age to leave the planet, and promptly become the top of the class.

    I don't see any kind of social commentary in the book beyond the usual "all you need for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing" tropes. The social positions of the protagonists are there to establish how odd their friendship and romance are.
  10. Charlemagne19 Force Ghost

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    I do approve of the fact this is the most central interracial relationship in Star Wars now. It's why I hope they make a CGI movie out of this sometime if not an actual movie movie. If they can make garbage like Cinderella 2, they can make an animated Star Wars movie of Lost Stars.
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  11. MartyAvidianus Jedi Padawan

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    I prefer live action to animated. If it became animated, no telling what the ending would be. Maybe animated Ciena will end up joining the rebels or something. Less chance of that with live action. Though you never know.

    Is there any plans to translate it into other languages?
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  12. Charlemagne19 Force Ghost

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    True, though Disney has proven surprising in many ways, not the least being okay with murdering an entire possible franchise.
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  13. MartyAvidianus Jedi Padawan

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    casting:

    Thane adult: Prince Harry

    Thane academy: KJ Apa

    Thane kid: Finn Wolfhard with dyed red hair

    Ciena adult: Kerry washington

    Ciena academy: Rhyon Nicole Brown

    Ciena kid: Leni Zieglmeier
  14. Axrendale Jedi Padawan

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    A suggestion: if this manga adaptation (the ostensible topic of this thread) turns out to be any good, perhaps someone can turn that into a movie.
  15. Todd the Jedi Mod and Soliloquist of SWTV

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    This thread is about a manga? Could have fooled me.
  16. Noash_Retrac Jedi Master

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    Wouldn't mind comic or manga adaptions of every new novel that's come out (without added scenes without reason). Could easily replaced the boring turn Marvel Star Wars is going through (I've not collected Aphra or Screaming Citadel arc, not to mention the Chewbacca, Han Solo and Lando runs).
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  17. LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master

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  18. DARTH_MU Jedi Master

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    From a Tang dynasty poem by Li Bai. called Chang gan xing,

    妾发初覆额,折花门前剧;
    While my hair was still cut straight across my forehead
    I played about the front gate, pulling flowers.
    郎骑竹马来,绕床弄青梅。
    You came by on bamboo stilts, playing horse,
    You walked about my seat, playing with blue plums.
    同居长干里,两小无嫌猜。
    And we went on living in the village of Changgan: (Nanjing)
    Two small people, without dislike or suspicion.
    ....

    damn it

    [IMG]
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  19. GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin + Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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  20. Todd the Jedi Mod and Soliloquist of SWTV

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    I'm pretty sure that Lambda-class shuttle isn't drawn to scale.

    :p
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  21. Outsourced Jedi Knight

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    Bruh. For real, Lando is a great run.
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  22. Revanfan1 Force Ghost

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    Pretty sure Thane sniffing Ciena wasn't in the book. [face_rofl]
  23. Chris0013 Jedi Master

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    That flashback issue kind of looked disjointed jumping back and forth in time.
  24. GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin + Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    And now they're at the Royal Academy. Good. Perhaps I'll get to see my Imperial Ball yet.
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  25. Barriss_Coffee Chosen One

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    The art of the last few chapters looks much more like how I imagined the characters than the concept art (or whatever it was) that came out a while ago. The artist is nailing Tarkin. Plus the design of the training academy with the race tubes around the outside is really neat -- decorative but it has a practical use.