Discussion in 'Oceania Discussion Boards' started by Lute-Leigh_the-Hut, Aug 20, 2002.
Has anyone actually seen that crap yet? Bring back the old ones anyday!!
I ahve seen it an dyes have to agree that it does not have the feel and emotions of Eps4-6. The special s\effects are awesome but do not make a movie. The good old real made sets, rubber costumes and occasionally grainy footage is what made Star Wars in the first place. The acting is one thing that is constant in the series and that is laughable at the best of times. SFX do not make a "Special" plot. If you look at the biggest movies of the last 10 years all have probably been SFX based, yet aprt from the Star Wars saga and Lord of the Ring, how many of them are truely great movies. Think "Titanic","Pearl Harbour","Men in Black" etc. But the entire vision of the Star Wars universe is grand and epic in content. Hats off to Lucas, his great mind and wonderful imagination.
The only REALLY good Star Wars thing that has come out in the past 20 years is the JEDI games for the PC. Especially the recent Jedi Outcast. I'm not saying the new movies are bad, just no where near expectations. I mean Jar-Jar? Come on Ep 1 was a kiddies movie!
PC games come on get real! As for Ep1 i agree it was a kids movie. But think of this, good old Lucas peobably wrote it like it to hook a brand new generation of kids on Star Wars. Ep2 was more adult orientated and Ep 3 will be even more. It is common structure for trilogies.
But really how many of the tonnes of Star Wars games are good. Give me a break. That is one of the downfalls of Lucas Arts, its games. Mostly made fast and crap.
I agree that Lucas Arts made games in the Star Wars franchise are churned out quickly, and therefore pretty average. BUT, they have realised their mistakes now and have decided to let 3rd party developers handle Star Wars. Jedi Outcast was made by the makers of Soldier of Fortune. And the future Star Wars R.P.G is being made by the Baldur's Gate team. They are picking the best in each genre. As for the episodes getting more mature with each one. With the 4 to 6 trilogy Return of the Jedi was the least adult oriented of the lot!
I agree that Ep6 was an overgrown muppet movie, but I don't think that Lucas had the idea of such a enduring franchise in his plans or of actually making 1-3. Ep6 did have a lot of adult concepts though. I am sure that Ep3 will be very dark indeed and will delight all old fans and also the ones which have grown up with virgin eyes to Ep 1-2.
As for the games all i have to say is "THANK GOD" someone else is handling them.
You're making this too personal. Calm down, it seems we agree on a lot of things. Anyone else have an opinion on any of this?
I have not made this personal at all, you should calm down. I have been rationally countering and adding to your comments. Nothing personal mate. If you can't take a punch do not throw a punch. This forumn is for the good and fun of all. For open converstaion and freedom of speech.
Sith Lord Mixo is one cray-zee s-o-a-b. We will meet again, I'm sure.
In the afterlife, in Valhalla my friend I am sure we will sit side by side with a bucket of ale each and a good woman on our knees for evermore as buddies. Until then "BRING IT ON".
What does everyone else think of Lute Leigh the Hutt's opinions?
You two were having such a nice conversation, we didn't want to interrupt.
I liked it, so sue me. The acting was dodgy in parts, but it had a stronger Star Wars feel than TPM did. Plus it's about bloody time someone fought with two lightsabers.
On LA games:
I just have one thing to say - X-Wing series = best games to come out of LucasArts. I liked the Dark Forces/Jedi Knight series quite a bit, but I'm still playing all four XW games, which says a fair bit about them. Other than them, their SW games are mediocre at best (Force Commander anyone?). They should resurrect Sam and Max.
On Episode III:
It will be dark, it will be slightly depressing, and it will scare little kids in some parts. In other words, it's gonna rock. Don't expect a Muppet movie.
Thanks HawkNC for your input. I agree that the newer movies are showing Jedi combat in a much more professional manner. The Jedi now near the end of their prime and show greater skill in combat than what Vader and old ObiWan did.
Yes I agree that the X-Wing games are good. I guess you can always expect a few ripe apples in a barrel of rotten ones.
Ep3 should be great. The great creation of Vader as we know and love. The mass destruction of the Jedi and hopefully some more twists and turns in the plot. Will Chewbacca be seen? Or even a young Han?
The official word is no more OT cameos, but anything could happen.
No cameos. That is unforgivable form Lucas the cameo and in-joke king.
X-wing series. No. No. No. But I suppose in comparison to the Rebel Assaults they were pretty good. I've never played another game like Rebel Assault where your ship is on tracks! No movement outside the tracks, all you can control is the turret.
I used to think Sam and Max was good too. But have you ever played it lately? It's lost its touch pretty quickly. The best adventures were Monkey 1 and 2.
I'll only believe these Ep3 theories when I see them.
Rebel Assualt, what a joke. Good idea but bad design. Ships on tracks, yeah just like Lucas Arts themselves up until recent changes. Straight down the line and no creative deviation in games. Hurrah for them giving game rights to other companies. I applaud them for looking outside their cosy circle of creativity.
As for Ep3. We will have to wait and see. At least an acting coach would help and some better fight choreagraphy.
Well. It seems this post has turned into a b-session on Lucas Arts games rather than Ep2. And hey, I don't mind. While were at it lets have a go a Galatic Battlegrounds. God knows we didn't need another RTS game. But we COULD get excited about the prospect of one being in the Star Wars universe right? Well they failed us on that one too! An outdated AOE engine with grainy graphics and unexciting gameplay. And I still can't believe they made a sequel to Rebel Assault, and my brother bought both of them! They are just ripping off the Star Wars mad community with mediocre games. At least now we might be getting some decent ones.
Anyone looking forward to on-line Star Wars. It looks good, but us Aussies like always probably wont get a dedicated server. Like we need one anyway - with broadband prices through the roof.
Mediocre games form Lucas Arts (you must be joking) ha ha he he I say in a sarcastic tone. Of course they rip of people with the genre, that is the Lucas Arts way. They are the Dark Side of merchandising. Appealing to all young pre -12 years olds with consoles and no-life stay at home Star Wars geeks who will part with their cash even if a product smelt like George Lucas had walked past it.
Star Wars online does look interesting though. Hopefully to a grand scale. Yes broadband prices here are a joke and as per usual in Oz only the wealthy can afford it. Also yes it is hard to find any dediacted servers here for any game. We are a nation only dedicated to football, John Farnham,beer and the "Tall Poppy Syndrome"
One of those no-life geeks happens to be my brother. And yeah, the slight sniff of a Star Wars product wets his appetite. He owns all the Star Wars games, Star Wars figurines, original videos, widescreen videos, DVD's, the making of videos, the making of CD-ROM's, even the Yoda stories desktop game, and not to mention Star Wars scrabble, yahtzee, and monopoly. And thats what this is - a big franchise monopoly. So yeah, Star Wars geeks will buy anything. Just watch em flock to any sitcom episode with a Mark Hamill cameo appearance! Star Wars in moderation everyone!
When I say "Star Wars geek" I hope that no one takes offence. I am one myself. I have just woken myself up to the power of the Lucas Arts merchandising dark side. I now look for quality over quantity. They supply a market that we purge. Hats off to them. Star Wars scrabble, are you serious, I have never seen that. Where did he find it?.
Mark Hamill, what a joke. Now he lives just for a jedi like cameo. He is a poor typed cast actor now. I did find him in "Jay and Silent Bob strike back" to be rather hammy, but funny in his role. Better than usual. At least compared to other Jedi actors he is not alone in the acting stakes. Just recently look at Liam and Ewwn. Really such recognised actors with such unrecognisable talents.
You hit a sour note whenever you talk about the acting in those movies. Come on, give them a chance. All the actor/actresses in the first trilogy were fairly well unknown, and they did a fine job in bringing to life the greatest movies the world has ever seen. As for the prequels. I'm simply appauled. Again Lucas has tried to bring in new talent, but talent they are not. And the established actors also don't perform up to their standards. Maybe it has something to do with them not actually enjoying themselves while making the film. They all agree Lucas is a pretty strict man on set, and Ewan McGregor is still kicking himself that he signed up for the three.
Scrabble you ask. I'm not sure. All I know is that he had to order it specifically from a specialised Star Wars merchandise dealer over the net.
The acting is worst than anything I have seen the past 31 years of my life. Hats off to Lucas for giving the unknowns a chance in Ep4-6. But as for Ewen, if he dreads signing up for so long then he should have thought of that in the initial process. He is meant to be a professional, not a hissy fit throwing dandy boy from the UK. Surely the actors on set must be having fun, even though they are infront of a blue screen for a lot of the time. An actor is an actor, and a bad actor is a bad actor. A catcus by any other name is still a cactus! If their hearts are not in it then walk, we don't need them. In Ep1-2 no believable emotions at all were shown any of the actors and the comical instances and one liners were at the best something form a "cheap" Arnie movie, and that is saying something.
Lucas should look at his work more constructively apart form his pay check and so should the actors. We should all look to Bill Gates for inspiration and help in these troubled times
Emotions? HA! Try looking at little Anakin when he leaves his mother. <SARCASTIC> "Mum, I'm gunna be a jedi, See ya for the rest of my life, I don't give a s##t about you!" He doesn't even give a crap that he'll never see his mother again. That has to be the worst acting I've ever seen, but it was only a boy. But then again a boy who grows up to be Vader.
What's this Bill Gates crap. If Lucas looked to Gates for inspiration we'd have an even larger pile of Star Wars crap then we already do!
EXACTLY Anakin's emotion and acting were a circus performance for all to through coins at and vegetables at.
Bill Gates is a great man, great vision and great issues for humanity. He gives a lot to this world and for charity. He can't help that he found a niche in the market and exploited it. Most of us are jealous how a university drop out could make it so big.
So Leigh tell me what is your favourite Episode to date and why?
Hey, that's Lute Leigh the Hut to you. No-one calls me Leigh, I mean no-one. Fav episode to date? The original. Not a huge epic universe saving load of crap like Ep 6, and not a complete drama ridden action movie like Ep 5, AND not a special effects gallery like Ep 1 and 2. The scale Ep 4 sits on is completely balanced. And being the first one screened, you can't get a bigger rush than the first time you saw it. Unfortunately I was too young to see it on the big screen when it was first released.