Discussion Lucas clarifies his 'consultant' role

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode VII and Beyond (Archive)' started by dolphin, Dec 11, 2012.

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  1. JoinTheSchwarz Comms Admin & Community Manager

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    That's obvious, that they're working off George's treatment, but it doesn't mean they are "disregarding" the EU. Just not basing the movies on it. That we know. We still don't know to what extent the new movies are going to affect earlier published stuff.

    Also, IMO, it would be stupid for the writers not to use the existing reference material (note I said reference material, not plots or characters). Things like existing starmaps and the technobabble guides (how does a hyperdrive work?) are always going to save them time and work, and they are one "click" away. If they find conflicting sources or existing material that they don't think it "fits", then there is George as the creative consultant to give the final word on it. That's what I think it's the most probable situtation.
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  2. Kyris Cavisek Jedi Grand Master

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    EU as inspiration not as doctrine. AKA, Hey we need a character, he is a bounty hunter. Boba Fett?!?! No he is dead, well maybe not. Why not another mandolorian? Hmmm.... Are there any young existing Mandos out there. Ardnt jumps on Wookieepedia. Yeah this guy, Ghes Orade.... Hmm, Leia and Han have twins, what will their names be??? Lets call them Michael and Kathrine. No wait, there are already two kids, Jacen and Jaina...

    I think the EU will be eliminated (EU haters celebrate), however EU fan favorites may survive and appear... (Majority EU fans celebrate)
  3. Esg Jedi Grand Master

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    That can be interpreted in so many ways dude. You just keep acting like your interpretation is correct which is annoying
  4. DarthMane2 Force Ghost

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    I think this was already pointed out the first week the news of the sale was made. In Hollywood consultant means very little, and is pretty much as George said, "They'll call me when they need me."

    Welcome to the realm of Hollywood and Disney everyone. Hope everyone enjoys their stay. :)
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  5. Kyris Cavisek Jedi Grand Master

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    See Community and Dan Harmon (the Creator)'s new role in the show
  6. fenton Force Ghost

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    You could interpret it anyway you want too, or you could simple read what she said. As soon as you get into statements like "what she really meant" you're just trying to twist her words to fit your opinion. When someone says there isn't a book series (when in fact there is over 100 books) to serve as a template (which means pattern or mould) its pretty clear they aren't looking at the books. Taking Jaina Solo and having the movie be about her would be using the book series to serve as a template, they aren't doing that.
  7. fenton Force Ghost

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    But when you have creative people (and highly paid creative people) like Arndt working on a project they aren't going to spend time hunting for another character to fit what they need. If he needs a Mandolorian Bounty Hunter its easier and quicker to just make one up.
  8. Esg Jedi Grand Master

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    There isn't a book series starring her. Out currently.

    Jesus fention it's not that hard. It could mean anything under the damn sun but to me it doesn't mean they gonna ignore the books but do something out of it's range
  9. Kyris Cavisek Jedi Grand Master

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    Fenton is here? I ignored him long ago, we will never agree. No matter though, when the films come out whether inclusion of the EU or no, we will all accept it and enjoy it...
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  10. JoinTheSchwarz Comms Admin & Community Manager

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    Yes, I don't think they're going to go as far as using existing minor characters when they can develop their own. Still, it's a good bet that at the very least some worlds and concepts from the EU are going to crop out, if only as namedrops. They did in the prequels and that was all Lucas. And, for all we know right now, the EU sourcing could be larger.

    What I mean to say is: we don't really know a thing. :p
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  11. Kyris Cavisek Jedi Grand Master

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    Yet lets assume that they are making the films roughly 30 years after EP 6, If this is indeed the case, do you think they are going to sit there and write their own original history. No they are going to go through and read the the Rogue Squadron took Coruscant, Cool keep that. Thrawn, cool keep that. Jedi Academy on Yavin IV? Eh we can change that... Yet these things won't be important. Chances are the opening crawl will say something along the lines of the Empire being destroyed or defeated, and a time of relative peace. The Jedi Order is growing slowly.... Cut to space diplomatic mission with new generation of heroes, let the new trilogy commence...
  12. Alexrd Force Ghost

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    Isn't this old news?
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  13. fenton Force Ghost

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    So you don't have any proof that the EU is going to be included.

    Are you really going to argue that Jaina isn't a main character in the books?

    I realize you are going to twist whatever anyone says to fit your opinion. But when you look at what she actually said.......they aren't sticking to the EU. Accept it dude.
  14. Kyris Cavisek Jedi Grand Master

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    From a certain point of view...

    In all reality we didn't know Lucas's capacity and input
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  15. fenton Force Ghost

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    Yes, that is excatly what they are going to do (at least the extent that it serves the story they want to tell). We know Kennedy doesn't think the book series is worth mining for information or ideas. We know Arndt is working off of Lucas's treatment. He isn't going to go back and read the X-wing books or the Zahn trilogy and try to write around them. He is going to make the story the best he can. Period. The EU will change or (most likely) restart aroudn what he writes/creates with Lucas.
  16. Count Yubnub Force Ghost

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    Old news, which doesn't really say anything.
  17. Count Yubnub Force Ghost

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    You're aware that the term "laser sword" was used in the scripts, including the early ones, and was used liberally in merchandising including novelizations, right?
  18. Count Yubnub Force Ghost

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    I agree. The less of a role he has to play, the less this will be artful, and more like "corporate product."
  19. Kyris Cavisek Jedi Grand Master

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    Clarifies... As in "Make (a statement or situation) less confused and more clearly comprehensible" (From Google Dictionary)
  20. Count Yubnub Force Ghost

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    Yeah, I know. And it hardly makes the situation less confused and more clearly comprehensible.
  21. stellarmagic01 Force Ghost

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    Exactly... to further expand upon what you're saying.
    • 4-9 ABY (1-5 years after RoTJ) - Timeline is largely unchanged - Elements that are likely to be drawn from the timeframe: Han - Leia's Marriage, Jaina and Jacen Solo, Mara Jade, Corran Horn, and the New Republic.
    • 10-14 ABY (6-10 years after RoTJ) - Timeline is largely unchanged - No elements really drawn from the timeframe (It's the time of Dark Empire and so forth)
    • 15-19 ABY (11-15 years after RoTJ) - Timeline is largely unchanged - Elements that are likely to be drawn from the timeframe: Mara - Luke's Marriage.
    • 20-24 ABY (16-20 years after RoTJ) - Timeline is largely unchanged - Time of the Young Jedi Knight series, perhaps characterization of Jaina and Jacen would be used?
    • 25-29 ABY (21-25 years after RoTJ) - Major retcons or overwrites likely - Time of the Vong Invasion, fall of the New Republic, Chewie's death, and so forth... None of which is likely to be used in VII. Only element likely to be used? Ben Skywalker.
    • 30+ ABY (26+ years after RoTJ) - Major retcons or overwrites likely - Legacy of the Force and Fate of the Jedi era. Jacen Solo's fall, the One Sith, the Lost Tribe of the Sith, Aboleth, Mara Jade's murder... None of which is likely to be used in VII.
  22. Alexrd Force Ghost

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    Again, this news is actually old.
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  23. Kyris Cavisek Jedi Grand Master

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    Did no one see Toy Story 3, Believe in the Ardnt
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    Look at those characters, all of them are either minor characters or henchmen, if you watch Toy Story 3 for them, you will find that you get to know the other characters. The telephone is a spy, The Hedgehog is a shakespearian thespian, Lotso is a great villian, those henchmen look Star Wars-y, and If you watch the scene between Andy and Molly, you will trust in this writer to deliver a touching homage to the Original Trilogy whilst launching a new Disney franchise. May the Ardnt be with you...
  24. fenton Force Ghost

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    Why are Mara Jade, Corran Horn (bad character) Jacen and Jaina likely to be drawn from the EU? Lucas isn't someone to draw from another source of info. He'll give Han and Leia the children he wants them to have, not ones that Zahn made up. If they give Luke a romantic interest (which they might not) again he'll probably want to make up his own. And Horn......we'll probably never hear about him in the movies.

    Your largely unchanged "eras" are only unchanged if Lucas, Kennedy and Arndt WANT to use the ideas that were established in the books that covered that era, and ther eis zero evidence that is that case. Jacen, Jaina, Mara Jade, Lukes marriage, Ben are just as unlikely to be used to Episode VII as the Legacy of the Force and Fate of the Jedi stuff.
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  25. Kyris Cavisek Jedi Grand Master

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    They could go the other direction, and do a crunch time scale, have it all happen... Then EU fans have to figure out all the new dates...
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