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TFA Lucas: Force Awakens not about Skywalker grandchildren

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Sequel Trilogy (Released Films)' started by rezpen, Apr 17, 2015.

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  1. KenW

    KenW Jedi Knight star 4

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    Also, the fact that Han Solo is in the spotlight, might be what Lucas is talking about when it comes to focus.
     
  2. Darth_Bertie

    Darth_Bertie Force Ghost star 5

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    Does anything in that VF article suggest Luke and his kid were the focus of Lucas story? Cause based on the old concept arts (2013 ones) a lot of the story seems to remain.
     
  3. carlcockatoo

    carlcockatoo Jedi Master star 4

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    yeah.

    and I don't care if Kylo Ren is related by blood or not but the fallen Jedi thing would be a repeat and I'm still hoping more for the 'radicalised youth' plot I came up earlier. if he was at the Academy when it was attacked and was very young that would be fine but the "initially morally grey guy discovers the force, becomes a Sith fanatic, and uses terror to gain power" is better than "good guy goes bad" again imo.
     
  4. Quatro Dank

    Quatro Dank Jedi Youngling

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    The only interesting part of any grandchild is that regarding Han-Solo and Leia, on their side with Chewie, that connection to Yoda. blablabla, hence, so forth, furthermore, whatever. Which is also, the only interesting story for Star Wars to even go on. Not rambleing on about this, thank you, and enjoy your weekend.

    Bye!
     
  5. Pfluegermeister

    Pfluegermeister Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    What the frack are you TALKING about?!
     
  6. Karl0413

    Karl0413 Jedi Master star 4

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    I always thought the trilogies were about three generations of the Skywalker family.

    OT: Luke and Leia.
    PT: Their parents Anakin and Padme.
    ST: Their children.
     
  7. StoneRiver

    StoneRiver Jedi Grand Master star 4

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  8. Quatro Dank

    Quatro Dank Jedi Youngling

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    "What the frack are you TALKING about?!"


    Nevermind.
     
  9. m4st4

    m4st4 Jedi Knight star 4

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    So... it's not about grandchildren... it's about grown up children (two to be precise)? Got it Lucas, you sly fox.
     
  10. Strongbow

    Strongbow Force Ghost star 5

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    I'm not only NOT upset, I'm pretty grateful, if the latest rumors are true that the third trilogy would have focused on a group of teenagers. George made the right decision to retire, if that's what he had on offer.
     
  11. 100009223693258

    100009223693258 Jedi Padawan star 3

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    No, what's been posted here is all there is on that. (I downloaded the June issue yesterday on my iPad so I have it.)

    I'm not sure if this has been put up, but JJ Abrams does say...
    ...so people can make of that what they will.

    But no, the only part about what George Lucas wanted to do I assume has been posted already (and here it is if anyone missed it)...
    And the article goes on from there and never brings the subject up again.
     
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  12. KenW

    KenW Jedi Knight star 4

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    No, Lucas said it was about grown up children too.

    "The children were in their 20s and everything and so it wasn’t Phantom Menace again." - George Lucas on his sequel treatment 4/17/2015
    Just a few weeks before JJ was quoted as saying they were young teens in Vanity Fair.
     
  13. Danfromumbrella

    Danfromumbrella Jedi Master star 4

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    Find the article that says that KenW .....and show it to us.
     
  14. Krueger

    Krueger Chosen One star 5

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    I have never seen that quote anywhere before. You know, we're pretty good round here digging up every Lucas quote pertaining to the ST. Especially something as recent as that. Honestly, friend, provide a source to back that up.
     
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  15. Danfromumbrella

    Danfromumbrella Jedi Master star 4

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    I think he's adding a few words in it. All I remember is him saying it's about the father, the children, and the grandchildren.

    WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS SERIES IS ABOUT YOU ANGRY CHAPS.
     
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  16. Krueger

    Krueger Chosen One star 5

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    Yes, I don't believe Lucas would have said that about TPM.
     
  17. Danfromumbrella

    Danfromumbrella Jedi Master star 4

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    Just to smear this whole Abrams tossed out the whole general idea of Lucas'.........


    George Lucas : "The next series was gonna be about the father, the children, and the grandchildren."

    Teaser trailer 2:

    " My Father has it ( shows the father), my sister has it , I have it ( shows the children), and you have that power to... ( grandchildren)."
    It's literally the same core idea Lucas put forward. Lets stop acting like it isn't. Unless they're straight up tricking us.
     
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  18. soul8luos

    soul8luos Jedi Master star 4

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    If you have been following KK and Ridley's Japan tour. You know the film is still about the Skywalker family.
     
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  19. Darth_Voider

    Darth_Voider Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Exactly. Let us be honest, Lucas himself is not a very trustful source when it comes to Star Wars. He changed his mind so often that every quote of him should be taken with a grain of salt. It sounds to me that JJ and LK only changed the age of the legacy characters and maybe the amount of legacies in TFA (it seems to have fewer legacies now), and for GL these changes were enough to say "They don't use my ideas".
     
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  20. Leoluca Randisi

    Leoluca Randisi Jedi Master star 5

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    plus Lucas is a creative consultant on these films but I don't think he has much to do with the creative process? ....
     
  21. darthgator1217

    darthgator1217 Jedi Master star 4

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    [Abrams] said Lucas’s treatment had centered on very young characters—teenagers, Lucasfilm told me—which might have struck Disney executives as veering too close for comfort to The Phantom Menace and its 9-year-old Anakin Skywalker and 13-year-old Queen Amidala. “We’ve made some departures” from Lucas’s ideas, Kennedy conceded, but only in “exactly the way you would in any development process.”


    I really do not get this. This tells us nothing about Lucas's story ideas for the ST aside form the approximate age of the characters. Also, Rey and Finn are not all that old. Rey looks like she could be 17 or 18.

    I also find it amusing that Disney executives are skeptical of TPM when it made over 1 billion in world wide gross. I am not saying that TFA should be like TPM, but the reports of the masses hating the Prequels are greatly exaggerated.
     
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  22. Krueger

    Krueger Chosen One star 5

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    The slights towards the PT and TPM in particular stem from the author of the article from that website. Not Disney or the Vanity Fair article itself. At least I think that’s the case.
     
  23. Leoluca Randisi

    Leoluca Randisi Jedi Master star 5

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    Is that quote from the Vanity Fair Article ?
     
  24. Darth_Voider

    Darth_Voider Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I've got the impression that Lucas is not involved in the creative process since the rewrite. According to the article, he lets JJ and KK do their own thing because he wants to be surprised like a normal movie goer when he sits in the theater in December.
     
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  25. Qui-Riv-Brid

    Qui-Riv-Brid Force Ghost star 5

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    It will be interesting if we ever get the true story.

    I don't think it's at all a stretch to suggest that Lucas' story was about the legacy of the father as both Vader and Anakin, Luke and Leia and their children.

    Almost certainly there would be some new version of the Empire and Alliance, the Force and the Dark Side, the Jedi and the Sith and all the story progressions one can see extend from Episodes I-VI.

    It's not like they decided to not use Luke, Leia, Han, Chewbacca and the droids or the Empire and it's Stormtroopers, Star Destroyers, TIE fighters and the like or the Alliance and the X-Wings etc.

    We already see all of these things. A young heroine from a sand planet going on a hero's journey. Sounds familiar. Is she also the grand-daughter? Maybe, maybe not. Is Kylo Ren the grandson? Maybe, maybe not.

    Are there any other grand-chidlren or rather by the time of TFA were there any other? Maybe, maybe not.

    We're seemingly not getting a movie that is going to be taking any bold new directions at first. Lucas knows how the process works and so anything can happen. He didn't just hand over some paper but talked to KK, JJ and Kasdan about it and gave his thoughts. It'd be bizarre to suggest that these didn't play into their decisions.

    The whole thing is very Lucas though and this time KK and JJ seem to be playing along. I almost wonder if it's some sort of ruse. Lucas doesn't know what they are doing and he doesn't want to know and so they don't tell him and so on...

    Also you have to remember the writer is placing a huge spin on the whole thing in this aspect:

    He said Lucas's treatments had centered on very young characters -- teenagers, Lucasfilm told me -- which might have struck Disney executives as veering too close for comfort to The Phantom Menace and it's 9-year-old Anakin and 14-year-old Queen Amidala

    Which in itself is the usual ignorant statement of a lazy writer who has no idea whatsoever how successful TPM is. It seems this person doesn't even know Luke and Leia were teenagers. Actually wasn't Leia actually supposed to be 16 in ANH before her age was raised to match Luke's?
     
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