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ST Lucas: Force Awakens not about Skywalker grandchildren

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by rezpen, Apr 17, 2015.

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  1. Knessa84

    Knessa84 Manager Emeritus star 4 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Well, this is what MSW has dropped for the past few weeks. Given that the teaser pretty much confirmed a lot of what MSW had to say, I'm a believer. Especially considering that a part of the flashback made it into the teaser (Luke saying goodbye to Artoo), applying logic, if MSW was confirmed on that part of the flashback, I have to believe that the rest of what he has spoiled as to the flashback (including the academy massacre and Rey's reaction to remembering) is fairly accurate. But, I guess we can agree to disagree.
     
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  2. thejeditraitor

    thejeditraitor Chosen One star 6

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    who knows? this thread certainly hasn't helped.
     
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  3. Amdrag

    Amdrag Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Lucas probably had an idea that involved a lot of Skywalker descendent. As he mentioned, kids and grandkids. Here, we probably have two, and both are secrets. It probably doesn't look similar at all in his eyes.
     
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  4. DarthLightlyBruise

    DarthLightlyBruise Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Given Lucas' last go at Star Wars story treatments, JJ and KK made the right choice, IMO. Feel like a bullet was dodged.
     
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  5. kip73

    kip73 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Rey must be Han and Leia's daughter but she probably is not a Jedi when the movie begins. I think the OT narrative by Luke is a pretty big hint, and is directed at her.

    I've been thinking all along that Kylo Ren might not be entirely evil. We've seen someone go from the light to the dark side. It would be interesting to see the opposite, especially if he ends up being Han and Leia's "other" child.

    Finn is probably a completely new character, unrelated to anyone from the OT. I think he will become a Jedi, maybe learn the ways of the Force (along with Rey, possibly) from Luke? It's not really a crazy or far-fetched idea.
     
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  6. kip73

    kip73 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think the characters and relationships are similar or the same as what Lucas had in his treatment. However, the story and script are completely different (as has been said).
     
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  7. thejeditraitor

    thejeditraitor Chosen One star 6

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    are people forgetting that two children were hidden from dark forces before? why not one? taken by the vicar perhaps.
     
  8. Rabs

    Rabs Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Didn't Lucas say once in an interview when asked about the EU that in his version Luke wouldn't get married or have kids? If so that means he always planned for the legacy children to be Solos. And if JJ didn't use Lucas's treatments that means there probably aren't any Solo children. Rey Skywalker confirmed.;)
     
  9. Wildcatbarry

    Wildcatbarry Jedi Master star 4

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    There could possibly be three children - one taken by dark forces, one by herself and the other being watched over by a force user.
     
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  10. Vehgah

    Vehgah Jedi Knight star 4

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    I used to think this too, but there was a lot that had to be changed in the MSW speculation. Like the manner in which Finn and Poe escape prison. (Wasn't Rey supposed to break them out?)

    Anyway, concerning the flashback, Luke leaving Artoo isn't exactly what we were shown. we just saw him( we think it's him) put an arm on Artoo near a fire.

    And why leave him behind?

    idk. all of what you said may be right (there's a big chance) but there are a lot of wholes.
     
  11. Jango_Fett21

    Jango_Fett21 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The fact that Lucas says that his original treatments involved Anakin's grandchildren and that the new direction for the story doesn't really isn't open to interpretation. It's possible that his statement is wrong, but if it's not, there really isn't any way to interpret it other than that none of the new protagonists are in any way directly blood-related to Anakin, Luke, or Leia.
     
  12. starocean90

    starocean90 Chosen One star 8

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    This Thread is useless the first post doesn't even mention this from the article.[face_not_talking]
    followed later by which was the first post
    did Lucas just contradict himself in the same article???:p
     
  13. Jango_Fett21

    Jango_Fett21 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    No. Knowing that his original stories - which involved the grandchildren of Anakin - aren't being used and that things have gone in a different direction isn't contradictory to stating that he doesn't know anything about said 'different direction' or the stories that are now being told as a result of said different direction.
     
  14. starocean90

    starocean90 Chosen One star 8

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    that's not how I read it.:p
     
  15. Bazinga'd

    Bazinga'd Saga / WNU Manager - Knights of LAJ star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    I think Lucas is in cahoots with JJ in attempting to sow confusion and disinformation among us. :p
     
  16. Jango_Fett21

    Jango_Fett21 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    How else would you have read it?

    There's really no ambiguity in what he said. His original stories involved the grandchildren of Anakin, and said stories are no longer being used and things have gone in a different direction, one which doesn't involve Anakin's grandchildren as players in the story. It really isn't that difficult to grasp what he meant in wording his comments the way that he did.

    It's very possible that his comments are wrong, but if they're not, they're the strongest indicator we've had to date that there aren't any "legacy" characters in the film(s).
     
  17. Bazinga'd

    Bazinga'd Saga / WNU Manager - Knights of LAJ star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    ^ If thats truly the case then please explain the purpose and meaning of Luke's voiceover in the teaser?
     
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  18. Jango_Fett21

    Jango_Fett21 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    He's addressing his narration - if it's actually in the film - to one or more persons who, like himself, his father, and his sister, are Force-sensitives/Jedi. The use of the narration in the trailer, in the instance that none of our new protagonists are directly blood-related to the Skywalker/Solo line, is an indication that at least one of them is a Force-sensitive, and that the story involves said person(s) learning to harness and use their powers.
     
  19. Danfromumbrella

    Danfromumbrella Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    He won't be thrilled when he finds out they killed han solo
     
  20. rezpen

    rezpen Jedi Master star 4

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    Correct me if I'm wrong guys, I have read a lot of GL quoted about the ST and most of them are vague about themes or passing torches but is this the first time he's directly said its about Skywalker grandchildren?
     
  21. ShaneP

    ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    "They're doing a different story" and then "I know nothing about it".

    Well WTH George? Which is it?
     
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  22. Darth Dookacas

    Darth Dookacas Jedi Master star 4

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    Does anybody really believe Lucas's quotes? [face_liarliar]
     
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  23. Jango_Fett21

    Jango_Fett21 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Not necessarily (as I've said a few times already in various places).
     
  24. ShaneP

    ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    No, you're right. I read your post after I posted mine and edited it. It could just mean: "My family has it and you(non-Skywalker person) have it too."

    I'm okay with a non-Skywalker person. I'm also good if it is a Skywalker.
     
  25. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    I'm judging the ST movies on their own merits. On whether I like them or not. No outside influence.
     
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