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Luke, Mara, the Force, and Sex in the Expanded Universe (Spoilers Allowed)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by HanSolOKniser3, Jul 14, 2004.

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  1. Quiet_Mandalorian

    Quiet_Mandalorian Jedi Master star 5

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    Ah, but he been an even greater hero if she made the offer and he turned it down out of fidelity to Jan. ;)
     
  2. Earthknight

    Earthknight Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Kyle had a choice: do the wild thing with sexy Mara and be a hero. Or turn her down and be a great hero.

    He chose option one [face_mischief] .
     
  3. Quiet_Mandalorian

    Quiet_Mandalorian Jedi Master star 5

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    Fixed. ;)
     
  4. Earthknight

    Earthknight Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Oh come now, it's pretty evident which option he chose;) . Who wouldn't want to do the wild thing with Mara?
     
  5. Quiet_Mandalorian

    Quiet_Mandalorian Jedi Master star 5

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    I don't think it really ought to be an issue of wanting. :p
     
  6. Knightfire

    Knightfire Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Anyone who'd want to deal with a royally p***ed off, lightsaber-wielding farmboy afterward.
     
  7. Earthknight

    Earthknight Jedi Padawan star 4

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    And yet...Kyle got away with it [face_mischief] . And then later....Anakin got away with it [face_mischief] . And who knows...between DNT and LotF, Jacen might've gotten away with it :D !
     
  8. Emperor_Time

    Emperor_Time Jedi Master star 4

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    Well I know of one guy that Mara never had sex with. [face_whistling]
     
  9. Point Given

    Point Given Mod of Literature and Community star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Hate to change the topic but does anyone think that Lumiya went the extra yard in seducing Jacen to the Sith?
     
  10. Eleventh_Guard

    Eleventh_Guard Jedi Master star 5

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    I don't know about getting away with it. Luke has other ways to get at people who messed with Mara, ways that don't involve coming straight at the person with a lightsaber. Like having them lead strike teams to Myrkr... let the Yuuzhan Vong do the dirty work.
     
  11. Earthknight

    Earthknight Jedi Padawan star 4

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    :eek:

    Now having Anakin lead that team makes more sense now....Luckily Kyle made out like a bandit :D .
     
  12. Jmacq1

    Jmacq1 Jedi Master star 4

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    To answer the question: There are plenty that like to speculate in that direction. I don't find it very likely, myself, even barring the question of how "functional" Lumiya was after her injuries.

    As much as I know it crushes people to consider that every conceivable pairing isn't going at it like bunnies in-between the lines and off the pages, Jacen was already virtually asexual by the time Dark Nest rolled around. Even Tenel Ka came across as more of a political and intellectual endeavor than a passionate one. Sure, he loved her, but he was so off-kilter after the Vong war that he was almost "above" such things....remember..."luminous beings are we, not this crude matter." Jacen's whole goal was to become one of those "luminous beings" (again).

    Lumiya didn't need sex to lure Jacen to the Sith (aside from the fact that he was about 3/4s of the way there by the time she met him). In fact offering it up probably would have cheapened her in his eyes.
     
  13. BobaMatt

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    I was just looking at the Guri article on the Wook and had forgotten how baldly sexual Xizor was in that book.

    That's all I had to say, really...
     
  14. Jmacq1

    Jmacq1 Jedi Master star 4

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    Yeah, SotE might have the most blatantly sexual dialogue of any of the Novels. Or at least the most direct reference to the actual occurrence of the act. I recall my eyebrows raising a bit upon my first read-through, during Xizor's musings in his bath.
     
  15. BobaMatt

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    Yeah, I remember him contemplating asking Guri to get in the bath with him to pleasure him, and him saying that he'd get the nude versions of Leia's holos at a later time.

    Xizor's always putting off sex. Think maybe stress is giving him...problems?
     
  16. Jmacq1

    Jmacq1 Jedi Master star 4

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    Nah...he was clearly quite virile, and was planning on seducing Leia just a short while later.

    I'm guessing he just wasn't in the mood at that particular moment.

     
  17. Thrawn McEwok

    Thrawn McEwok Co-Author: Essential Guide to Warfare star 6 VIP

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    I think it's just that Xizor is a Falleen, a predator whose primary quarry are the mammalian females his pheromones are so effective on. That's the way he regards attractive females: as prey in their own right, as potential tools for winning other, more abstract and sophisticated forms of quarry (such as power), and as sources of pleasure (itself a quarry to pursue, and one closely linked to his hormonal instincts, too)....

    (random thought: Falleen sex pheromones work on mammals--is that a hunting adaptation, rather than a purely sexual one?) o_O [face_thinking]

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    And did Kyle have an affair with Mara? She might have wanted one... she might have wanted one with Anakin, too...

    ... but there's no canon evidence that it happened. In both cases, Jan and Tahiri's canonical objections were to a closeness that seemed a little degrading for their men, but actually went nowhere. [face_mischief]

    So there.

    - The Imperial Ewok
     
  18. Earthknight

    Earthknight Jedi Padawan star 4

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    True. There's no canon evidence. However, McEwok, you can't deny the little hints that something went down between Kyle and Mara and even Mara and Anakin.
     
  19. BobaMatt

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    Well, I can't imagine an evolutionary reason a reptile would have to screw a mammal, so yes, it probably evolved initially as a hunting thing.

    It might even just be a side effect of a completely separate biological process.
     
  20. Thrawn McEwok

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    I can't deny the "hints", as you call them: Mara flirted a little with Kyle, and liked being close to Anakin, and they smiled back in a friendly manner - it's just that that doesn't mean anything. Kyle and Anakin are nice guys, Mara is a flirt. It happens. :D

    Oh, sure, if you accept the Darwinian principle, don't you have to assume the origins of the capability are entirely random?

    But what it seems to me is that the effect makes sense if it serves primarily as a way to manipulate mammalian species, rather than just Falleen - note that the pheremones are also accompanied by a change in skin-tone to a more mammalian hue. The presence of canonically-problematic pseudomammaries would have to be a coincidence, and a bizarre one, but could also have optimized their ability to integrate....

    The pheromones, however, are also explicitly tied into the Falleen's own sex-drives, and that leads to an extra effect involving interspecies copulation. It may be that the complex Falleen pheromone signature does indeed have its origins in their own mating biology, but that is, I believe, hard to imagine for a reptile...

    Or they could just have been shaped by the ancient Sith? [face_mischief]

    - The Imperial Ewok
     
  21. dizfactor

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    Arkanians did it. One size fits all excuse for any bioweirdness.
     
  22. Emperor_Time

    Emperor_Time Jedi Master star 4

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    Well they were part of the Sith Empire at one point. [face_devil] [face_skull]
     
  23. Amon_Amarth

    Amon_Amarth Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    [face_laugh]
     
  24. UltimateMandalore

    UltimateMandalore Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I am slow on the Legacy comics. So did Cade have sex with Talon? What happened?
     
  25. Rogue_Follower

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