Luke, Mara, the Force, and Sex in the Expanded Universe (Spoilers Allowed)

That was the funniest thing I've seen in awhile.

Thanks, a_r!

 

To some that's what happened. Very funny AR!

 

a_r: I'm in tears here. That was great!

 

How is this thread topic Literature related?

HanSolOKniser3 said in the initial post of this thread exactly how it is lit related. It was a passage from BP, along with views on the Force Mara gave in the Dark Tide duology (Onslught as I recall), which brought about this thread. HanSolOKniser3 went on to elaborate what why they posted this thread on the second page.

 

!!!

 

It's official

Alpha_Red>Del Rey+ Bantam+ LucasFilm

 

*bows, waves*

I'll be here until the lights go out. Try the gornt steak.

Suzuki: That's one hell of a compliment, man! I didn't expect it to go over quite that well! Just...wow. Glad I could be of some help.

I might go over and post that in fan fiction, just for kicks.

As for the actual situation...IMO, dialogue and Captain Picard aside, that's exactly what would have happened if Luke and Mara didn't know what they were doing. Alpha Red would have been used, and the galaxy would have been utterly wrecked. Jacen and Anakin BOTH would have been complete asses, Jaina would've STAYED on the dark side, and Kyp probably would have nuked some other planet randomly.

As the situation stands, that's not what happened...unless one of the people from LucasFilm happens to trip over that while intoxicated.

*shudders*

 

I just realized...with all that PG rating crap over in the fan fiction section, they probably wouldn't let me post that there.

For God's sake, it's not like every single person on this board hasn't seen the worst the Internet has to offer. We don't exactly have virgin eyes or ears, especially not on this board.

Whether we're all actually virgins is another story.

But, to make a long story short, that's an envelope that's far too restrictive for me. Star Wars contains some very strong PG-13 and borderline R-rated material, and fan fiction should be allowed to reflect that.

 

There certainly are some places which allows for such ratings and worse. If I recall correctly, the old FanFix site allowed at least for PG-13, and I believe R, rated stories. I had a story there that at least reached PG-13 as it had a scene similar to the one in The Bacta War where the scene ends with Miraxletting her robe fall to the floor and then climb into bed with Corran.

But now I can't get into that site anymore and it looks as if it's no more thanks to last years site crash and the guy who was supposed to help get it back up appearing to stop their work without even a quarter of the site brought back up.

 

Ummm... ratings are different in different countries aren't they?

Coz R in Australia, well lets just say nothing in Star Wars I have ever seen comes anything close to R

 

Jedi-Sith, me lad, Our R is basically their NC-17.

They have other weird and creepy ratings like PG-13, et al, but if I start to talk about them, I'll shrivel up and die, because of the patriotism chip inserted in the base of my spine.

And Desann is easy. Use the invincibility thingy, activate force speed, hit Desann 'til it wears off, then run away a lot! Rince and repeat!

 

It's my opinion that the PG-13 and borderline R-rated material in SW is usually all violence. Hypocritical is a word that comes to my mind when I think about this.

I certainly understand that explicit sexual awareness does not exist in everyone who reads SW, but I do believe that it does exist in some of the fanbase.

I'm not saying that SW should become an "adults only" universe, I'm just saying that there are some of us who wouldn't mind reading a book or two that included something "steamy." I think that it would be refreshing to read something with the courage to explore the sexuality of some of the characters that exist in the SW Universe.

I realize that some people on these boards will think that I am a Creepy McCreepster, but honestly, I'm just trying to engage in an open, respectful, and hopefully insightful dialogue with people who are also interested in any of the complicated issues and situations that emotional and/or sexual relationships are made of. As it pertains to the Star Wars Universe, of course.

 

a_r:

- The Imperial Ewok

 

What the heck just happened? Did I just read that...


No...no...It was all just a bad dream...

A_R as a FanFic humor writer, Priceless.

 

Hi everybody,
Nobody knows me, but I'm a longtime lurker (as in about half a dozen years) recently driven back into fandom by the aggravation that is grad school. I've been hanging out in some of Thrawn's fic so far. And reading all this has been giving me ideas.

I know this isn't quite on topic, but it's a lot moreso than some of the stuff that's been going on here. And forgive me if all of this has been long since debated into the ground. Ignorance is bliss.

So here's my question: Are midichlorians and sex responsible for some Force bonds between unrelated people? Lovers and married couples in particular.

They're symbionts right? And they're in the blood (and, er, other similar things) right? And they're the mechanism through which the Force is perceived right?

Now assuming that each person's particular midicholorians are particularly attuned to their host (shades of Madeline L'Engle here). And that midicholorians are present within all cells of the body, including reproductive ones. This would explain familial Force bonds--a kid ends up with half his midichlorians attuned to his Dad and half to his Mom. So a kid or sibling or a parent has an easier time sensing a kid or a sibling or a parent both because of the similiarity in their midichlorians or because some of their midichlorians are identical to ones that were attuned to the other person. That's blood bonds.

Now for lovers and the married.... Well there's a certain. . exchange going on. And I suspect, especially over time, that you're going to. . .absorb a fair amount of midichlorians that are attuned to your partner. So the longer this exchange goes on, the more attuned to each other the partners become.

If there's any sort of immune-type response to foreign midichlorians it could get even more interesting. Say the presence of foreigners causes all native midichlorians to produce the opposite of an antibody, some sort of adaptation that. . .translates between the two types of midichlorians. Instead of building up an immunity they build up an affinity.

I would expect having a baby together would be the best way of intensifying these effects.

None of this jives with Luke and Mara's instantaneous bond in VOTF, of course. Though I'm sure you could find some people around here willing to argue that they'd been exchanging midichlorians all along.

 

Hey! I've written humor since eighth grade!

As you can imagine, I've had plenty of time to develop my technique and my knack for including content that pisses off Jerry Falwell.

 

Well, your humor would definately get that particular job done.

 

JediRowan...

I see what you are getting at and I think that it makes some sense.

The Force bond that blood relatives have does perhaps seem to be greater than people who are unrelated, and I think that the similar genetic make-up of the Midi-chlorians involved with blood relatives could explain that.

I hadn't given any thought to the idea that Midi-chlorians could be transferred to other people via bodily fluids before I read your post. What an interesting concept. One that makes sense, I think.

In the TPM Novelization Qui-Gon tells Anakin that Midi-chlorians are "microscopic life-forms that reside within the cells of all living things and communicate with the Force." I think that one could extrapolate from that, if sperm are alive, that a male could pass on his Midi-chlorians to a willing partner.

The next part of the equation is pure speculation of course, but I suppose it is possible that the "host's" Midi-chlorians, could "get to know" the "visiting" Midi-chlorians that have recently entered into their immediate and physical environment, thereby increasing the "host's" ability to understand the other person better through the Force. That understanding could then "feedback" between person A and person B, creating a stronger and deeper level of connection between the two.

Nice theory JediRowan. You took this thread's original idea and added a whole different dimension to ponder.

Thanks for contributing.

 

That reminds me of that old shirt I saw in Gumball's.

"Hard to believe that out of your dad's 100 million sperm, the one that made you was the quickest."

 

Hello Creepy McCreepster, how are you?

Explicit adult relations do not belong in SW...the very idea... I know that when I watch the movies, specifically the OT, the idea of wanting to see a character "explore his sexuality" (that sounds pretty sad) is totally out of place...

 

Hello Creepy McCreepster, how are you?

Just fine! Thanks for asking!

Though I'm not sure what you mean by "exploring sexuality." If you mean having sex, then no, I don't want Star Wars to turn into a porn movie. That would just be...wrong. If you mean masturbation, then still no. I do not want to think about Luke (Good guess)[color], and I'm sure no one else does, either, which is probably why this sentence will be edited. But if you're talking about exploring romantic feelings and determining the true nature of relationships, then yes, I'd like to see that. That's part of what Luke and Mara did during that whole thing on Nirauan, and I liked those parts.

Whichever mod edits this owes me five credits.

 

JediRowan: And they're in the blood (and, er, other similar things) right?



Are you sure you're not Rowan Pelling?

Great post, though! A Golden Ewok No-Prize? for that girl!

Anyway, playing catchup on the rest of the thread...

T_F: It's really nauseating to watch.

Where's your sense of humour? If anything, it takes the characters off their pedestals...

ThePariah: *calmly strolls back off into the mists of other boards...*

That was... odd...

HanSolOKniser3: some excellent points! You get a Golden Ewok?! But how should I abbreviate the name? Han? HSOK? Or what?

NS9: "Feel, don't think"?

But to add to the thread... is this whole thing perhaps the very reason why the Old Republic's Jedi were expected to be celibate?

- The Imperial Ewok

 

You mean like what positions they could create with it? Wonder what the price of butter is. And how much he buys.

 

DeJade_Vu...

Thanks for posting your opinion.

I think that explicit adult relations already exist in the SW Universe, it's just that the scenes of physical intimacy are rarely ever written. Usually what we get to read about is just a little bit of lead-up to an act, and then sometimes a follow-up scene after the act has been completed. That's fine.

I'm not trying to start a sexual revolution in the pages of SW books (or am I, hmmm... ), I'm just saying that I have read books before (Anne Rice and Stephen King come to mind) where explicit scenes of sexual exploration between characters adds emotional depth to the relationships contained within those books. Which I think, is a good thing. I'm a sucker for romance in books, and I think that sexual tension can make for a more interesting read.

In short, I don't think the exploration of sexuality sounds "pretty sad" I think that it sounds healthy and fun.

Again, thanks for posting your opinion.




Thrawn McEwok...

Thanks for the Golden Ewok?!

I was confused by your last statement in your post.

What do you mean by the term " this whole thing"?

I wonder if you are asking whether or not Jedi might judge other Jedi, if their views on such a potentially polarizing subject as sex, were radically different, thereby creating more layers of division and conflict within the Order.

By the by, HanSOK3 works for me, but I'm not picky.



Also, I am remiss in not thanking alpha_red for his contributions to this thread. a_r, not only have you answered the original question that I asked, you have also injected this thread with some much needed and well executed humor. Thanks.

 

Coz R in Australia, well lets just say nothing in Star Wars I have ever seen comes anything close to R

For some bizarre reason, the Australian cinema release of AOTC was PG, but the DVD was M. (Mature Themes)

What the? Something on the special features? Was it the Miss Piggy-Kermit the Frog love match comment?