CT Luke's Force sensitivity between ANH and TESB

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  1. Billy_Dee_Binks Force Ghost

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    So aboard the Falcon we've seen old Ben give Luke a lesson in deflecting blaster fire with a Lightsaber. In TESB Luke is capable of attracting objects out of reach, namely his Lightsaber in the Wampa's lair, using the Force.
    Though I've seen the Saga countless times, only now have I started to wonder about this:
    - Did Luke receive further training from Obi Wan's spirit?
    - Could Luke have returned to the old hermit's hut on Tatooine and retrieve something that'd aid his understanding of these new abilities?
    - Or is Luke just a natural and figured these useful powers out by himself?
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  2. Admiral Volshe Chosen One

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    I believe a combination of 1 and 3.
    I think Obi Wan assisted him, gave him at least the bare bones, and he expanded his knowledge from there.
  3. Mirax Terrik Chosen One

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    Luke found notes stashed in Obi Wan's hut according to Shadows of the Empire. It's where he found instructions on how to make his lightsaber.
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  4. Yunners Force Ghost

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    SOTE takes place between ESB and ROTJ, so he's already had his training with Yoda at that stage.
  5. Mirax Terrik Chosen One

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    I'm assuming he went there under Obi Wan's instruction before that, though now that I'm thinking about, I guess he wouldn't have had time with Vader breathing down his neck.
  6. Yunners Force Ghost

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    Probably not. I don't think he want back to Tatooine until after the events of ESB.
  7. DRush76 Force Ghost

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    Why didn't Luke simply return to Dagobah to resume his training? It would have made more sense and been more practical than using a handbook, even if it had been written by Obi-Wan.
  8. BigAl6ft6 Chosen One

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    I view Luke as kinda barely above where he was in ANH in ESB until he gets his Jedi learnin' on from Yoda. Getting his lightsaber to fly to his hand is more a fluke because THE FREAKIN WAMPA WAS ABOUT TO EAT HIM OMGOGOGOGOOG *twhip the lightsbaer goes to his hand* so it was more of a Chosen One-style / Blow up the Death Star Without the Targeting Computer type of bit. He didn't exactly do much Force stuff in his spare time between ANH & ESB, if at all.

    Then Yoda teaches him and it all changes. He's much more competent in his lightsaber fight with Vader (well, uh, at least at the start). He really takes a Jedi-jump in between ESB & Jedi. Guess Yoda really drilled a lot into his intensive, what, 5 day course? But, once again, extremely powerful Force user, etc.
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  9. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    Possibly because, after what happened, he's too preoccupied with saving Han.

    His fear that Yoda (and Ben) lied to him might have also played a part.
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  10. DRush76 Force Ghost

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    One, it them nearly a year to rescue Han. During that time, Luke allegedly increased his connection to the Force due to Obi-Wan's handbook that he found on Tatooine. It would have been more practical for Luke to continue his training under Yoda, instead spending a year tracking down Han and utilizing Obi-Wan's handbook. And why did it take them a year to track down Han? And why would Luke fear that Yoda and Obi-Wan's lies played a part in Han being captured?
  11. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    Fear that they lied to him, might have played a part in his refusing to return to see them, was what was meant.
  12. Samuel Vimes Force Ghost

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    Nowhere in the film does it say that RotJ takes place a year after ESB. Based on the films it seems that it was 3-4 weeks or at most 1-2 months. With that time period, Luke not going to Yoda makes some sense.
    Luke did not have to track down Han, Lando and Chewie were going to Tatooine at the end of ESB and Luke was set to join them. The films give no indication that any tracking down took place.

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  13. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    Where are you getting that figure from?
  14. Darth Ruian Jedi Youngling

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    Obi-Wan most likely trained him more. But all Jedi (and Sith) learn things on their own quite frequently.
  15. DRush76 Force Ghost

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    But Luke had only known Obi-Wan for a day or two before the latter's death aboard the Death Star. And as far as I know, Obi-Wan's ghost had not been in contact with Luke until it appeared on Hoth in ESB.
  16. edog37 Jedi Knight

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    most likely got caught up with the rebellion & they were looking for Han. Plus, even though it wasn't shown, he probably was pretty messed up & pissed off with Yoda & Ben after the Vader revelation. He probably needed some time to sort that out....
  17. Yunners Force Ghost

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    It's closer to 6 months, Your Grace, but you're still right.
    And he did go back to finish his training. He just didn't expect Yoda to be so near death.
  18. Joe Force Ghost

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    6 months? I always thought it was 2-3 years.
  19. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    It can't be, if TESB is in 3 ABY and ROTJ is in 4 ABY.
  20. Samuel Vimes Force Ghost

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    Even that seems far too long and I don't recall anything in the film that gives this info.

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  21. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    Wasn't it the novelization that gave the time between the two films?

    That's what the wookieepedia page says:

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_VI:_Return_of_the_Jedi

    though it also suggests The Essential Atlas changed it to 8 months- it can do that since novelization content can technically be C-canon if it originates with the author.

    Luke certainly looks older (due to the film being made 3 years later).

    I would hypothesise that back then, Marvel was considered something for authors to at least take into account- and that's why the RoTJ novel says it's six months later- since a lot is shown happening after ESB.
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  22. DRush76 Force Ghost

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    And yet . . . Luke found the time to go to Tatooine, find Obi-Wan's handbook and use it as a trainer's guide?




    And during a period between 3-4 weeks or 1-2 months, Luke's skill with the Force increased that much, using Obi-Wan's handbook?:rolleyes:
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  23. Samuel Vimes Force Ghost

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    What Obi-Wan handbook, where is that spoken off in the films?

    Also, how long did Luke train with Yoda in ESB? It could be as little as a couple of days to 2-3 weeks, 1-2 months on the outside. During that time his skill and power increased a lot. So Luke might simply have kept practising what Yoda taught him. He knows the basics and was able to do the rest himself. If Yodas training was as little as 1-2 weeks and the time between films is 1-2 months then I don't find it impossible that Luke's increased skill and power is due to him simply practising Yodas lessons and training on his own. Luke has been shown quite consistently as someone who picks things up quite quickly. For ex it did not take long for him to be able to "see" the remote in ANH.

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  24. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    Why assume that something has to be spoken of in the films, to be plausible?

    We know Ben hid out in a hut on Tatooine- it's not that implausible for him to have created things for Luke to use when Luke is old enough.
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  25. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    Apparently Tuskens suck at searching.