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CT Luke's X-Wing pilot helmet - continuity error in ROTJ

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by Lt. Hija, Jun 21, 2016.

  1. Kenneth Morgan

    Kenneth Morgan Chosen One star 5

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  2. Lt. Hija

    Lt. Hija Jedi Master star 4

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    For the ROJ Tatooine departure scene the 4-foot X-Wing had been built with a pilot figure that could move its head (like the snowspeeder models in ESB). The idea was to show the X-Wing in space, get closer with the camera and then cut to Mark Hamill in the cockpit. Alas, that VFX scene didn't make it into the film, still we had the 4-footer in many exhibits although it was never used in any SW film.
     
  3. Bob the X-Winger

    Bob the X-Winger Jedi Knight star 3

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    Early form of animatronics.
     
  4. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 5

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    It's not the same helmet. It may have scratches in the same areas (as you would expect, being worn by the same person). But not unique or identical scratches. The chinstraps, padding and visor are all clearly different.
     
  5. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 9

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    If you look closely, many of the scratches match - there are just additional scratches.

    Which makes sense, if Luke has spent the 6 to 9 months between TESB and ROTJ using the same helmet, and replacing the bits of the helmet that need replacing.

    Out-of-universe, they probably took the same "helmet prop" and replaced a few bits that were in need of replacing. Perhaps the visor had gotten a big scratch, or the padding had gotten sweat-soaked.

    If you look at Wedge at Hoth, Yavin, and Endor - you'd probably see the same thing - basic helmet is the same but the features on the helmet chassis vary. Makes sense to reuse the basic prop, even if things on it might need slight changes.
     
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  6. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 5

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    Every pair of shoes I've ever owned has acquired scuffs, marks and wear in the same places. Some more than others.

    The same applies to identical crash helmets worn by the same person in the same environment. They will all wear in the same places because they are put the exact same use.

    It is the same prop helmet, of course. But in universe, Luke in ROTJ isn't wearing the helmet that he lost on Bespin.
     
  7. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 9

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    Why not? If the Empire hasn't gotten round to impounding it, it makes sense that Luke would want to retrieve his ship (and helmet).
     
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  8. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 5

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    What, from the Bespin impound? [face_laugh]

    Maybe he retrieved his saber from Bespin at the same time.
     
  9. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 9

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    In the Legendsverse (Marvel Star Wars) Luke and Lando went back to Bespin in between TESB and ROTJ.

    In the context of the newcanon - maybe he did get his saber back - and handed it over to Maz Kanata.
     
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  10. JEDI-RISING

    JEDI-RISING Force Ghost star 6

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    i just have to say the last time i watched ROTJ i noticed the chinstrap with the black strap going through it and thought it looked so out of place. like the scavenged it off a peewee football league team
     
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  11. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 9

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    ANH and Rogue One have the same "black chin strap going all the way across" that ROTJ does. Only at the Battle of Hoth, are the chin straps done differently.
     
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  12. Lt. Hija

    Lt. Hija Jedi Master star 4

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    Another poster paved the way for a feasible rationalization, i.e. after his arrival in Cloud City Luke first went to see if the Falcon was okay (they would have all escaped together with the Falcon) and left his pilot helmet there (knowing he would have to leave his X-Wing behind):

    http://boards.theforce.net/threads/plot-holes-in-the-ct.50010529/page-28#post-54860933

    So the seemingly continuity error wouldn't actually be one, quite the contrary. :)