MAJOR SPOILERS! The truth about the Vong invasion and the Gods!

I think it was mentioned in Vector Prime that the tactic could be easily stopped with another dovin basal(s), but sicne it was the first time the tactic was used, the enemy tribes had no idea what was happening and didn't have time to stop it once they did discover it.

 

But that's not the impression I got from "uniting" the tribes because of the devastation. It didn't say the Supreme Lord devastated one side through the core tactic in one big preemptive strike and lorded over them.

My impression is that this was some huge paradigm shift in the way the Vong fought each other in their Vong civil war and the unsuing devastation caused them to give up their differences.

So, I'd think that you could get away with using it once before people catch on. In such a case, the Vong and therefore one side of the War would have had to take out nearly all of the planets at the same time.

So, basically one side had to do it once - and wipe out all of the inhabited planets in the galaxy!?! ? Something just doesn't make much sense there, IMO.

I guess one of the more plausible stories is if one side steamrolled over the other side, pushing them into a corner and were going to trounce all over them. The losers in some last-ditch strike then managed to get its dovin basals strategically placed on nearly every planet and they pulled the moons down, completely devastating the would-be victors?

Both ended up broken and then united?

 

Intriguing...most intriguing. Great work Anakin1607 !

 

War raged across the Yuuzhan Vong's home galaxy on and off for millennia wwith clans and tribes of spacearers and destroying and subjugating one another on contact. Finally, the two most powerful tribes came in to opposition. Dubbed the Cremlevian War by historians, this conflict saw the first use of Yo Gands core. You gands core brought an end to the great war, uniting the Vong under one supreme overlord-at the expense of virtually every inhabitable planet in their home galaxy. The Vong survived, however.

The excerpt fails to mention that the first planet to fall victim to this tactic was the homeworld of the strongest tribe. With the seat of power of the enemy destroyed, I assume the tribal forces would be thrown into disarray and most worlds would be unsure of what to do in the face of such a thing. They may not have even known that the destruction was caused by a dovin basal, believing it instead to be some massive orbital weapon. I would assume that a strong and influential leader arose and united the fueding tribes in the wake of all the destruction, much as Palpatine did in the turmoil of the broken Republic. Like you said, the influence of religion is a great power, and if that leader used the will of the gods as his "political campaign" then that could be all the tribes needed.

This is from the Database, which is taken from info straight from the books:

"When the war was at its worst a great Yuuzhan Vong general named Yo?gand turned the tide of the bloodshed. Utilizing a strong dovin basal, a creature capable of manipulating gravity, he created a tactic that would have devastating effects on the enemy. He resolved the conflict when he planted the dovin basal on the homeworld of the strongest tribe. The dovin basal locked on to Ygziir?s moon and pulled it out of orbit. The moon smashed into Ygziir and left the planet a shattered hulk. This effectively decimated the strongest tribe and ended the Cremlevian War.

 

I'd go one step further and say that the excerpt:

"You gands core brought an end to the great war, uniting the Vong under one supreme overlord-at the expense of virtually every inhabitable planet in their home galaxy"

is rather contradictory in nature. Why would virtually every inhabitable planet in their home planet be expended by the tactic!?! If it was one-sided shouldn't Yo'gand's side still have a whole bunch of inhabitable planets left untouched by the tactic.

If both sides knew, wouldn't they have countered it, sparing the majority of planets?

 

Why would virtually every inhabitable planet in their home planet be expended by the tactic!?! If it was one-sided shouldn't Yo'gand's side still have a whole bunch of inhabitable planets left untouched by the tactic.

I guess we can chalk this up to yet another WOTC blunder. Perhaps the excerpt doesn't specifically mean that planets were left uninhabitable just due to Yo'gand's Core. They could have also used methods like they did at Ithor, New Plympto, and Riflor. But that's just speculation on my part.

 

I cant wait to get this RPG Guide!!

 

SithSpit777: It?s obvious now that Jaina is the parallel for Yun-Harla, the trickster. But I think that your interpretation of Jacen and Anakins roles is reversed.

Jacen is not a slayer. At all. Jacen didn?t really even want to kill the Voxyn Queen. It?s been a constant in the NJO: Jacen may be forced to become a warrior from time to time, but he is definitely not a slayer. On the other hand, no one killed more Yuuzhan Vong than Anakin did. It makes far more sense to call Anakin the equivalent of Yun-Yammka.

 

Awsome! Some these "ultra beings", who shared the knowledge with the Vong must be tied in with the Sharu or UR in some way!

 

Wait a sec!!! I forsaw this!!!Anyone remember that intellegent theory(no thats not an oxymoran!) on the fall of the Vong contrasted with the fall of the Maya. I said a similar thing that the people would lose faith in there Gods becuase they lost faith in there ruler!


here it is...
http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=5561233&start=5571726

 

Who says these beings who gave the Vong the secrets to their biotech are from the GFFA? They don't 'have' to be a species that we know about.

 

Ooh ooh ooh! What if they're the same folks who created the Corellian system? I know that that wasn't biotech, but if they're that smart, then they probably wouldn't be limited to just one tech or the other. They could have introduced biotech to the Vong and hyperdrives and stuff to the GFFA. Maybe it's all just a big experiment to see what happens between the two galaxies. But maybe in all their intelligence and general god-like-ness, they overlooked the one real power in the universe: The Force!

 

Nom Anor I'll clear some things up.

First, it wasn't Yo gand's core that devastated the entire galaxy. I got the impression from the book that it was the ceaseless warfare that devastated the Vong galaxy. Yo gand's core was just the straw that broke the camels back. Like the Clone Wars on a much, much larger scale.

The outstanding news is that if the New Republic (or what's left of it) and the Jedi can beat the Vong, they won't have to worry about any more invasions (from that galaxy at least)! They will have defeated the Vong for all time.

 

Well now we know why the YV can't be sensed through the force. They're biotech, and thus were never given midichlorones.

 

FID, it doesn't say that the Vong are biotech. It says that biotech was shared with them. And even biotech would have the Force. Artificially created beings and clones and stuff have the force.

 

I'm still of the opinion that the Force has different sorts, layers that the Jedi and Sith never tapped (or at least, not the Jedi anyway) and that the 'hyperspace barrier' has something to do with the difference in Forces. The theory goes that there is a Universal Force, and that different galaxies and dimensions have different facets of Force, since the Jedi are tapped into GFFA Force, they can't sense Vong galaxy Force. Anakin, however, has glimpsed something of the Universal Force and realised they are more layers. As the only Jedi we know of that has gone to his death knowing this, it's possible that he can achieve a different level of existence than any dead person we've seen yet. Something to think about anyway.

Whoever mentioned the Corellian system builders may be on to something. That particular effort involved utilising gravity. Much of the Vong bio-tech is also focused on using small and large amounts of gravity (like dovin basals). Anyone whoi thinks there are limits, remember these people were using Hyperspace before the GFFA. Also, why do the Vong call their version of Hyperspace Darkspace ? From what we've seen, Hyperspace isn't really dark.

 

Maybe the race that gave the Vong the bio-engineering techniques was Species 8472 from Fluidic Space! Just Kidding.

 

DaJames...
"Anyone whoi thinks there are limits, remember these people were using Hyperspace before the GFFA. Also, why do the Vong call their version of Hyperspace Darkspace ? From what we've seen, Hyperspace isn't really dark."

Hopefully the NJO Sourcebook goes into detail about the Vong's Darkspace. Darkspace could be hyperspace or some other dimension entirely.

We already know that Otherspace is indeed rather dark. Perhaps the Vong enter Otherspace to get around instead of entering hyperspace - a place which is full of color.

Or Darkspace could be an entirely seperate dimension from realspace, Otherspace, or hyperspace.

 

I hope this isn't explained in too much detail (at least in the novels). I never like to see SW leaning heavily towards Sci-Fi instead of fantasy.

 

I agree with you barns. I think it's something which a sourcebook could better cover. Heck it's exactly they type of thing a sourcebook is meant to cover IMO - just like the WEG "Star Wars Sourcebook" covered the nature of hyperspace in detail before.

I don't really see any reason to undertake an in-depth scientific explanation of Darkspace in a novel.

Leave it to a sourcebook/reference book that those of us crazies can gobble up without affecting those who could care less about such things.

 

Hum... "Darkspace" ? Was this introduced in DJ ???

 

Sure puts Rogue Planet in a new perspective and to how the Vong were very interested in getting Zenoma Sekot technology.

Maybe there is a bigger connection between RP and NJO than we thought.

 

I actually didn't find that the Sourcebook revealed too much that we didn't already know about the Vong. There was some limited stuff in regard to their origins and some official ship names, but I didn't get a whole lot out of it. I guess that's what I get for studying them all the time.

Despite this fact, the book itself is good. It gives a nice summary of the whole invasion, and I think most people will find a whole bunch of new stuff for them.

 

Haven'y they been saying for a while how the Vong ships have been stretched really thin? Sounds like an opening for all-out assualt for the New Republic and Jedi. Plus isn't Wedge taking over the military in the next book?

I like the whole Solo kid's/ gods theory. Anakin fits well