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"Make it work!" - Project Runway 3

Discussion in 'Costuming and Props' started by Obi-Dawn Kenobi, Jul 4, 2006.

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  1. PadawansGuide

    PadawansGuide Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Katherine, who was booted after the dog challenge, is doing some of the challenges on her own, with the same budget and time - and I actually thought the one that is up there now is fun to watch - it shows her drafting/draping, and sewing - and it's fun to see how other people work! You can check it out here:http://www.katherinegerdes.com/
     
  2. QueenAmidalaEP1

    QueenAmidalaEP1 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Well I just got around to reading the whole article http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1222433_3_0_,00.html

    What exactly did the dossier say?
    It was a booklet, a brief. It was filled with imagery and verbiage about who the consumer was. All the images were very simple, easy-to-wear pieces you could mix and match. You could have worn our shirt as a dress. You could have reversed it. That was the whole pitch. Easy-to-wear pieces. I wasn't thinking super fashion forward. Nina was like, ''You're here to impress us.'' Maybe I wasn't thinking of the judges. I was thinking of the consumer. But [guest judge] Mehmet [Tangoren, head buyer for Macy's] thinks they sit next to Vera Wang. I'm like, I'm sorry. I went to Macy's the other day, and I went over to the INC section, and oh my God, they're completely delusional about who their consumer is.


    Do you think maybe Bradley should have gone home since he made the most problematic piece, the brown pants?
    Our group worked really well together as far as colors and how we presented the garment. We agreed on things. The sketch was the pant that every woman needs. When I thought about it, it should have been more fashion forward. When I was up on the runway, I was thinking about five million things I could have done. I directed Bradley, though. Yeah, Bradley has a funny way of working, and he's a bit not good about time management, but I'm not the one to sell someone out on the runway. I didn't go on the show to make myself look nasty.

    Note Bonnie's comment about INC: "easy-to-wear pieces you could mix and match". That's pretty much same thing I talking about in my prior post about INC having "color story"

    Bonnie: "it should have been more fashion forward" I also described INC as Fashion Forward in one of my previous posts.

    Bonnie: "I went to Macy's the other day, and I went over to the INC section, and oh my God, they're completely delusional about who their consumer is."

    Like I said, Bonnie should have taken the trip to see the INC line BEFORE she started the show, so that "delusional" or not, she would understand the INC line, and maybe she would not have been auf'ed.

    Note: when I was in Fashion Design school, we had to be in the stores on a weekly basis and be able to answer pop quiz questions about what clothing was being shown for the designer lines and the store's private label lines. To this day I can breeze thru a store and later recall a huge amount of details about the clothing.
     
  3. Obi-Dawn Kenobi

    Obi-Dawn Kenobi Manager Emeritus star 4 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Here's an interesting interview with Keith:

    http://people.aol.com/people/article/0,26334,1222957,00.html

    He seems to refuse to take any blame for what happened. 8-}
     
  4. PadawansGuide

    PadawansGuide Jedi Youngling star 3

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    That is interesting. On the podcast Tim emphasized that they never accused him of using the books to cheat - but it had been apparantly made very clear that they were not allowed any books of that kind - and they were also asked a 2nd time at some point to hand over any books. Keith should have known better, really. I don't like that he won't own up to anything - he's weasling out of it, just like he tried to weasel around things on the show. I guess I just don't care for people with "tricks up their sleeve". :-(
     
  5. JainaMSolo

    JainaMSolo Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Keith just doesn't feel that the rules apply to him; we saw it with the dog challenge. "Making an outfit for the dog is stupid, so I don't have to do it." Same with the books, same with sneaking out unescorted: "Oh, those are stupid rules, I don't have to follow them."

    Honestly, I wonder if he wasn't subconsciously sabotaging himself. He's incredibly talented, but I suspect his ego covers up some very serious insecurities. Maybe he was inwardly terrified of making a bad outfit, and so behaved in a way that would cause him to get kicked off for something that had nothing to do with his designing abilities. Or maybe not; maybe he is just that egotistical.
     
  6. PadawansGuide

    PadawansGuide Jedi Youngling star 3

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    It's hard to tell from our perspective, of course - but it's certainly possible, Jaina. Tim seemed very sympathetic to Keith at the time (the impression I got from his podcast) - which is one thing I like about Tim. He has a certain amount of empathy for people, which is nice in the reality TV world. :)
     
  7. QueenAmidalaEP1

    QueenAmidalaEP1 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Check out this blog from one of the PR producers:
    http://www.bravotv.com/blog/ruckersblog/2006/08/ramblings_of_a_runway_producer_rock_and_a_hard_place.php?page=5

    "As Tim points out, there are specific rules and contracts that have to be read and signed by each of the designers before shooting begins. In those documents is the clause that they are not allowed to have ANY outside materials during shooting. From pattern books to fashion magazines to music, everything is to be turned into production before shooting begins. It was brought to the attention of production that there were books that existed in Keith?s apartment, which violated the terms of the contract signed by all the designers. The books that were discovered were a men?s patternmaking book, a terminology/how-to fashion book, a copy of Paper magazine and a fashion art book. Any and all of these sources were grounds for dismissal and Keith cooperatively admitted to being the owner of the materials. There were also a few hours where Keith Michael left set without permission from production. From these admissions and the time left from production, Bravo's legal department had to step in."

    Nice succinct list of what Keith did that violated the rules.
     
  8. JainaMSolo

    JainaMSolo Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Here's a really good post explaining the timeline of the last episode and Keith getting kicked off. It made things make more sense, at least for me.
     
  9. spacelady

    spacelady Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I've been trying to watch the last two episodes on NBC because we have no Bravo here, and everytime I try, they never show it. It's the right time on Monday, so anyone else know about this too? It really sucks because I was gettting into it too. :(

    ~Spacelady
     
  10. lavagrrrl

    lavagrrrl Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I was finally able to get caught up on all the shows I had taped. Watching them in a block (with the ability to fast forward through commercials) is so much better than only one show at a time.



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    I'm so happy Michael won tonight! I've been rooting for him, but it seems he's been overlooked for some reason on each show. Tonight he finally got his win. I was surprised that I actually liked the dress by "crazy girl with rosettes". Normally, I hate her stuff. Kayne is one of my favorites, maybe it's because he wants everything to be sparkly.

    Oh, and how on earth did Bradley not know who Cher is? He's old enough to have been around for the Sonny and Cher TV show as well as Moonstruck and how many other incarnations of the woman. Strange.

    Overall I liked what they had the designers do tonight, and how they let the models do the picking. Some of the outfits really didn't look like an update for the icons, though (hello, has the guy seen Madonna in the last 25 years??).
     
  11. JediMistress

    JediMistress Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I'm happy Michael won too it was really a polished design and something I could see Pam Grier wearing even today. I liked Kayne's "goth Marilyn Monroe" but he kinda reminds me of a transvestite designer....everything has to look "overly" glamourous. And there was something about the gathering on the butt on that dress that just struck me as a little odd.

    But oh yeah...Bradley? What the heck "I don't really know who Cher is. I really should start paying attention to celebrities." Does anyone else get the feeling that Bradley is the "fashion geek" that is like wrapped up in his own little world and not really in tune to what's going on? He just reminds me of one of those disorganized artists that likes creating something out of "chaos". He probably could have saved the outfit if he'd have done a funky halter top or something instead of a mylar popover. Sheesh.

    I didn't actually like Angela's dress though. Heidi said she'd like it in every color, but I thought those freakin' rosette did a real number on the hem again...Audrey Hepburn would NEVER wear something so GARRISH! She should have stuck to the waist corsage or ugly granny rosettes...not the hem. Made the model look like she was lumbering down the runway instead of walking. Maybe that's my personal dislike for Angela coming through but I wasn't impressed.

    Oh and Vincent. YUCK! What the heck was he thinking?! That ugly plaid and black? I mean he tries hard but misses terribly! Twiggy was always known for her "youthful" styles. Maybe if he'd have puffed the sleeves into little caps or something. UGH I was really disappointed in his outfit.

    Robert...sigh...I was truly disappointed in his outfit too. I don't think Jackie O would ever wear a camisole in public. What happened to the beautiful torquoise fabric he'd picked up originally? It was much prettier than that linen. Oh well, guess I expected more from him.

    Laura and her "classic look" wasn't bad but it too was a bit boring next to Kayne's and some of the others.

    How about that Jeffrey? LOL I dunno...I think he's making up for Keith's absence and starting to really let the pressure get to him. His arrogance is started to come out big time.

    Who was Allyson's icon? It wasn't a memorable outfit but she's hanging in there too.

    Well, that's my take on it. lol
     
  12. Cailina

    Cailina Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Allison's icon was Farrah Fawcett according to Bravo's website. I too was glad that Michael finally won but I really can't criticize Bradley not really knowing much about Cher or paying much attention to celebrities since I'd never even heard of some of the icons. I do at least know who Cher is although not much about her style or how to update it...of course, I'm not a fashion designer and don't really pay much attention to fashion outside of project runway and I would expect a fashion designer to be more in touch with the fashion world then I am.
     
  13. Obi-Dawn Kenobi

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    I finally got to see it today and it was a great episode. I figured with Keith gone that we'd start to be shown more of Jeffrey throwing around some attitude. I almost burst out laughing though when he described Laura as 'cold'. The woman has gotten pregnant six times...how cold can she be? [face_laugh] *smirk*

    I LOVED seeing Michael get a win. I think he totally deserved it. He seems to have the right temperament to do well in this competition with how laid back he was while dealing with Jeffrey during the Angela debacle and how he consistently sends beautiful garments down the runway. Go Michael!

    I really thought Laura nailed the modern day look of her icon. :)

    Kayne's gown was beautiful! He held back on the sparklies which was a good call this time around.

    Jeffrey seemed to be designing for the Madonna in his reference photo. I don't think she'd wear what he made in the present day. meh.

    Vincent...ugh. Why is he still there?

    And poor kooky Bradley. I have a special fondness for him, not necessarily his clothes, but just for his kookiness. I'll miss him but agreed with the judges decision to auf him. :(
     
  14. across0the0stars

    across0the0stars Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I'm thrilled we actually got to see Michael this episode, and he actually won! =) =) That was a great outfit he created.
    I do have to say I loved Kayne's dress quite a bit, I think he's easily my favorite designer. Part of me feels bad for Bradley getting booted from the show but I could also see it coming. He doesn't seem very organized at all and is just too slow working and random to accomplish the tasks required of him in the given time alotted.
    I also have to say that I didn't know who most of those icons were, or I knew little about them for the most part. I really don't keep up on celebrities and the like...(I'm constantly disappointing friends when I don't have a clue as to what they're talking about lol).
    I found Uli's dress interesting also. She seems to have a way with using patterned fabric tastefully. I also happen to love purple so that's a plus from me on this dress of hers.
    Jeffrey's attitude definitely seems to fill the place of Keith's attitude, but not as greatly. I think is complaint about Angela was justified but maybe he should have dropped it sooner.

    I wonder how the next episode turns out, someone mentioned garbage in the preview which makes me wonder what are they going to have them do...? I know of some garbage costumes made for the musical Brooklyn and they were quite interesting but who knows how this could turn out.
     
  15. JediMistress

    JediMistress Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Wow that was a tough challenge - especially the time restraints. I almost expected to see a version of the "Derelict" show from Zoolander! LOL Some of them were really creative. But I was really surprised by the lack of color. It was like Jeffrey and Kayne were the only ones that thought about using paint on the stuff.

    It was nice that Micheal won again but I really thought Uli's was the coolest. That braided material was really ingenious. I liked Laura's too...but it looked almost "too crisp" but at least the model could walk. Jeffrey's was really neat too. I loved the way the paint over the newspaper pictures looked like a real print. And the fake belt was really a nice touch.

    I really think Vincent is on the verge...either he's going to snap emotionally or his next tragic fashion is going to make him wish he'd never cashed in that 401K. The show is really taking it's toll on him physically. But, if we've learned one thing this episode, ANY fashion mistake can be forgiven but one - making a woman look FAT! Oh mon Dieu! Poor Allyson. She really tried to do something artistic and different and it backfired on her. Granted the hair bow was a mistake, but I could see what she was going for. Oh well.

     
  16. Obi-Dawn Kenobi

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    I agree JediMistress that the big bow of hair was a mistake but I was really perplexed as to why the judges decided to keep Vincent over Allison. :(
    I was also pretty put off by Heidi's ongoing commentary about how Allison's model looked fat. If they are booting designers off the show for things like that then it's pretty shallow of them. Allison's design was way more innovative than Vincent's garbage glued to a white piece of floor length paper. :rolleyes:

    I was actually expecting them to 'auf' Kayne and was pleasantly surprised when they actually took his past work into consideration. So...why didn't they take Allison's past designs into consideration versus Vincent's? Allison has been consistently strong while Vincent has been a train wreck week after week. [face_frustrated]

    I will always be happy to see Michael win, the guy kicks butt!!! But I really really really believe this challenge belonged to Jeffrey. His dress was outstanding and I was hoping they would award him with the win.

    Laura continues to crack me up with her snarky comments. I LOVED wheh she went after Vincent at the end, although I will admit that his comment about putting some Winston's up her nose had me rolling on the floor too!

    And why, oh why was Angela's hideous design not in the bottom three? Why?
     
  17. QueenAmidalaEP1

    QueenAmidalaEP1 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Spoiler....




    When they had the best and worst lined up, and before the judges started Q&A, I had picked Jeffery's yellow and blue newspaper dress and Laura's crisp white dress with black band/flower and the "For Nuts Only" text on back as the possible winners. And Vincent's un-walkable long sheath with junk thrown on it or Kayne's unfortunate green "hot mess" (as Tim Gunn described it) for auf-ing.
    http://www.bravotv.com/blog/timstake/2006/08/waste_not_want_not.php?page=7

    I thought Uli's braided skirt was a great idea, but it was not a strong a design as some of the others.

    After the Judges spoke, I realized that Michael's clear plastic wrap and gold and white dress was also in the running for winning (I was not as impressed by this design). And that poor Allison was in danger of being auf'ed because she had committed the ultimate sin, making the model look bigger than a size two. *rolls eyes*

    I can't believe Heidi, she would rather not be able to walk and look like she was dressed by someone in major need of a reevaluation of their meds (as long as she looked slim) then to wear something more interesting, but not as slimming. They made it seem like the model looked like she weighed 500 lbs. I thought Heidi's comments were derogatory to both women and to any women that is not a tall lanky model like her self. I hope she issues an apology.

    And Vincent constant comments about how turned on he was by his design frankly made me feel squiggy.

    Tim Gunn was also surprised that Allison was out:
    http://www.bravotv.com/blog/timstake/2006/08/waste_not_want_not.php?page=4

    Any way, I'm glad that the Judges are finally noticing Michael and that they get to hear him in a Q&A and see that he is very insightful in his design process. I'm hoping he makes it to the final 3 (or even 4), so we get to see a runway line from him. I'm also hoping Laura makes it to finals, as I would like to see if she just stick to classics for a collection.
    Uli, Kayne and Jeffery are also still strong contenders for the finals.

    My vote for who to auf next: Vincent or Angela, I don't want to see a collection from either of them. Angela's only decent item was the INC outfit and that was Laura and Michael's tailoring skills and not Angela that made the outfit work.
     
  18. surlygirlie

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    I am so mortified by the outcome of last night's judging...

    I thought Jeffrey should have won, hands down. I love Michael and I think he's SUPER talented, but his dress was not, IMO, as innovative as Jeffrey's.

    And Vincent SHOULD. HAVE. BEEN. OUT.
    The end!

    Grrrrrr.
     
  19. across0the0stars

    across0the0stars Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I love that word, squiggy, haha lol

    Anyways, I'm very upset Allison left instead of Vincent. Vincent's "gown" looked like a toddler doing arts and crafts. I liked Allison's original design, it probably would have worked if she hand sewed it or glued it. If she had to revamp her idea she could have at least started from the pieces she already made. While I'm not sure I would see her making it to the top, she's definitely better than others that remained.... this has been her only major problem challenge so far. I also noticed that while Kayne actually told the judges what he went through and redid the whole thing last second, Allison didn't try to defend herself nearly as well if at all. I was almost certain Vincent was going to leave finally =( soon, he'll have to go soon... as will Angela... I hope at least. I believe it was Heidi that said Allison's model looked like she was plus size, so what?! I'd actually like to see them design for some bigger girls or even men. Most of the world is not as thin as a toothpick so a realistic challenge like that would be great!

    I must agree I'm as surprised as everyone else that Michael won again. I liked what he came up with. I liked how he just went with the flow as if he were working with new fabrics rather than trying for things that just going to work with the materials they had. I didn't think he'd win twice in a row though... and I do have to say I think this one should have gone to Jefferey. I'm not sure if, as one of the judges said, ugly pretty style is a good way to put it, I think of it more as having an edge to it.

    I can't believe Kayne turned out such a mess this time around! I have to say he's my favorite of the bunch and I don't know what happened with this challenge. Everyone has a bad day though, so this must be his. I'd really like to see him in the final three. Uli too I think, I like her designs a lot also. Actually, as long as Angela or Vincent don't make it I think it'll be really a really good ending =).
     
  20. Obi-Dawn Kenobi

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    I'm prepared to see Vincent make it to the final four. I will projectile vomit at the tv if that happens, but it wouldn't really surprise me. [face_sick]

    Yeah, Heidi was pretty lame last night. She said Allison's model looked like a 'plus model' in her outift. So? What's so abhorrent about looking like a plus model? I know she was probably referring more to the fit and drape of the design but she chose her words very poorly.

    Potential BIG spoiler about the future of this season (you have been warned!):

    Anyone else know about Vincent's current model Gia and how she was involved in an accident with a bus a while back? If I remember correctly, her accident happened shortly after this season premiered on tv. She was riding her bike on the way to a taping for an episode when she was hit by a bus. She ended up in the hospital but has since been released. I'm not totally sure about the timing of it all but if they were still taping episodes when the season began on TV then I'm assuming they were taping some of the very last episodes for this season...? My point? Well, if Vincent sticks with Gia (why wouldn't he? And how would he get the opportunity to change models unless he won a challenge, gasp!, or if the models got to pick designers again, which I doubt) then this indicates Vincent is still in the competition towards the end. This frightens and disgusts me. But I'm glad Gia is ok now.
    I also recall that when the news of her accident hit the web, while she was still hospitalized, Vincent wrote in to Blogging Project Way gushing about her and sending all his love and hope to her for a speedy recovery. I don't recall any other designers doing this, probably because they never worked with her and she was still his model. Hmmm.....
     
  21. Cailina

    Cailina Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    . "I don't recall any other designers doing this, probably because they never worked with her and she was still his model. Hmmm....."

    Yeah but they could have wished her a speedy recovery more privately, like sending a card of flowers to the hospital. It's possible that Vincent does get auf'ed and the winning designer decides to pick Gia instead of his/her original model...although most of them seem to stick with their original model.
     
  22. QueenAmidalaEP1

    QueenAmidalaEP1 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Mild Spoiler: If you check the Rate the Runway results
    http://www.bravotv.com/Project_Runway/rate/season/3/episode/6/results

    the public has so far picked:
    1st: Jeffery
    2nd:Uli
    3rd: Michael
    and at the bottom: Vincent.

    I think Vincent is being kept in for his weirdness and not for any design ability. He has deserved to be auf'ed on just about every challenge.
    http://projectrunway.seenon.com/index.php?v=pr3fsovin&SESSID=0aa4af64ea939f3fc1a43e75eeca0590
     
  23. JainaMSolo

    JainaMSolo Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I think the only reason Vincent isn't gone yet is because the producers think he makes "good TV." Which is crap, really; this is Project Runway, not Survivor. I want to see awesome dresses, not stupid drama. They should've dumped Vincent early on and stuck with Malan if they wanted a good wacko. I also thought Jeffrey should've won, especially because Michael won last week. But as Tim is always saying, it comes down to a matter of taste. Kayne's dress was hilarious-- as a costume for some crazy musical or play, it would've been perfect. As a fashion piece, though, NO.

    Once Vincent and Angela go (and please God, let it be soon), I'll be happy with everyone that's left-- yeah, even Jeffrey. Michael's my hands-down favorite, but I just adore Uli too; she's always unconventional in a beautiful way. Laura makes beautiful things, but sometimes I just want to sort of kick her and yell, "Woman! Make something that *you* would never wear!" I love Kayne and his sparkles to tiny, Southern-accented pieces, and I know Robert can do great work (his Barbie stuff is beautiful!) and I wish he'd start doing it consistently on the show. If they have to put someone in the final 3/4 for "drama," it damn well better be Jeffrey.
     
  24. kay_dee

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    Yeah, I figured a few episodes back that Vincent was this season's Wendy. They love to show him making faces and struggling with each challenge, and it seems that each time he can be offed it's someone else that goes. Last night when he was in the bottom 3 I knew he'd be the one to stay. I'll be so pissed if he is in the final 3 - he doesn't deserve to be there. None of his designs merit it.

    I also was sad to see that tattoo neck didn't win. I don't like him as a person, but his creation kicked butt this time! I have 2 theories a) The producers knew it would be more dramatic for him to lose and continue to be 'the angry guy'. b) It comes down to who the judges like as a person. I think if Tattoo neck was more likable like Austin from season 1, he would have won hands down. That guy was able to do fantastic stuff with scraps of newspaper! That challenge was totally up his alley.

    - kay dee
     
  25. Obi-Dawn Kenobi

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    Cailina, I hope you're right because I don't want to see Vincent in the finals.

    "Tatoo neck" [face_laugh]
    Incidentally, his tatto is his son's name - Harrison Detroit - with 'the love of my life' written beneath it in something like Italian. I'm hoping to see Jeffrey get to the final four because I'd love to see a runway show from him.

    I think that Uli is a strong competitor for final three because I just can't imagine her making anything terrible enough to get her kicked off. She's sorta like Chloé, she makes consistently lovely and well made pieces that will most likely get her to the end.

    I've been afraid that Laura will fall into the 'she only designs for herself' trap since day one. I love Laura so I hope she goes far but I also hope the judges don't do a 180 and decide they are bored with her as the competition draws to a close.

    Michael Michael Michael! Go Michael! :)
     
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