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PT Making My Day! - Pro-Prequel Articles

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Jarren_Lee-Saber, Dec 10, 2014.

  1. cubman987

    cubman987 Your Friendly Neighborhood CT/PT/Saga Moderator star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    A lot of people's original reviews of TPM are positive but have changed for various reasons, not the least of which is that a lot of people hate on it and the other PT movies because it is the "cool" thing to do. If you could look up all of the reviews that came out online when TPM first came out I think you would find far more positive ones than negative.
     
  2. Samnz

    Samnz Jedi Master star 3

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    Oh yes, his AOTC essay is truly brilliant. His essay for TPM is also good, even very good, but (although understandably in the context of how it was written) a bit too much of a "rebuttal" or "revenge". I just think "Prequel Defense" works best when the writers focus on the merits of the PT and what makes those great for them instead of dealing with the supposed "flaws" too much. I mean everybody who's watched TPM once knows that the Midi-Chlorians and the Force aren't the same thing. Now if people aren't even capable of adequately comprehending two perfectly understandable and simple lines of dialogue like these ("Without the midi-chlorians, life could not exist, and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the Force.), they're just not worth my time. Sorry.

    Lard Buscuit's AOTC essay fantastically elaborates on the film's strenghts. I think reading this was - in part - responsible for my greater appraisal of AOTC in recent years.

    Yeah, I wonder why he never wrote anything after he said he would.

    Btw, here are Parts 2 and 3 of A Certain Point Of View On the Star Wars Prequels:
    http://unrealitymag.com/index.php/2...nt-of-view-on-the-star-wars-prequels-part-ii/
    http://unrealitymag.com/index.php/2...t-of-view-on-the-star-wars-prequels-part-iii/
     
  3. CoolyFett

    CoolyFett Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Good thread yall....
     
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  4. Alienware

    Alienware Jedi Master star 3

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    Just finished his AotC dissertation and I have to say it's fantastic. Everyone with slight interest in Episode II should read it. I've really come to appreciate it even more. About 90% of the dissertation is stuff that I've had in my mind for a long time and it's why I see this review as the one which most closely fits my views of AotC. But those extra 10% that he adds to the bigger picture is the reason why I really respect his writing.

    The Phantom Menace dissertation is also great, but as someone has already mentioned, about 50% of it is written more in a sense of answering all of the film's critics.

    Too bad he didn't do a RotS one though.
     
  5. DARTHLINK

    DARTHLINK Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Not an official article, but the Nostalgia Critic pulled up some few good points on the good things in the Prequels.

     
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  6. Andy Wylde

    Andy Wylde Jedi Master star 4

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    That Nostalgia Critic video brings up some really good points. I enjoyed watching it. I have actually watched it a few times.
     
  7. Darkslayer

    Darkslayer Force Ghost star 6

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    Thread watched along with e-mail alerts for it, nice idea Jarren!
     
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  8. Jarren_Lee-Saber

    Jarren_Lee-Saber Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Me too! It got off to a banging start! I hope there is more!
     
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  9. Dandelo

    Dandelo Force Ghost star 7

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    I remember posting the Nostalgia Critic (Doug Walker) video in another thread, unfortunately nobody took any notice :(:p
     
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  10. Jarren_Lee-Saber

    Jarren_Lee-Saber Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I am kinda leery of anyone who calls themselves "nostalgia critic"
     
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  11. Jarren_Lee-Saber

    Jarren_Lee-Saber Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Erm, that was still mostly "PT is total crap, but these bits are ok"
     
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  12. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Force Ghost star 7

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    At least there are positive points.
     
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  13. Alienware

    Alienware Jedi Master star 3

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  14. maychild

    maychild Jedi Knight star 3

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    Same here...ROTJ is my least favorite movie of the saga, but it was unnecessary for him to take the tone that "ROTJ is the SW movie that sucks."
     
  15. Jarren_Lee-Saber

    Jarren_Lee-Saber Jedi Grand Master star 4

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  16. Qui-Riv-Brid

    Qui-Riv-Brid Force Ghost star 5

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  17. JEDI-RISING

    JEDI-RISING Chosen One star 6

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    all true, but the first one is the truest. people these days want DARK
     
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  18. Master_Lok

    Master_Lok Force Ghost star 6

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  19. Qui-Riv-Brid

    Qui-Riv-Brid Force Ghost star 5

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  20. Qui-Riv-Brid

    Qui-Riv-Brid Force Ghost star 5

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    Here are some interesting ones:

    http://byzantiumshores.blogspot.ca/search/label/Fixing the Prequels: RotS

    Now you might say whoa! fixing the prequels is pro?

    Well actually it is as the writer is trying to have a real discussion but as he noted just last December true discourse often gets sabotaged.

    The Fixing the Prequels series was never, as I’ve noted many times throughout, a project for me to complain about the much-hated films. My goal was always to acknowledge the Prequel Trilogy’s very real problems by suggesting ways they could have been overcome whilst preserving the main story, while also arguing that the films are often much, much better than their reputations have developed. I intended this series to end a long time ago, and my hope was that as time went by, the Prequels would gain a bit in the main estimation of pop culture. I never expected them to become beloved, but I hoped that their many good qualities would look better from a distance, and the angry and often obnoxious rhetoric about them whenever they were brought up would become less toxic.

    This, sadly, has not happened.

    The tone regarding the Prequel Trilogy has remained as belligerently hostile as ever, with seemingly every discussion of Star Wars that comes up either devolving into, or at least involving a substantial detour, into “Why the Prequels were awful” and “Why George Lucas is the worst thing ever” and all the other boring memes, like “Lucas needed someone to tell him ‘No’” and the always-dreary appeals that all the best thinking about the Prequels was ever done by the noxious Red Letter Media guy. Even the sale of Star Wars to Disney, with the subsequent rejuvenation of the franchise with a new trilogy of films plus a number of spin-off movies, ended up with a lot of cheering that “Hooray! Finally we get Star Wars that has nothing to do with George Lucas!” and “I wonder if they’ll completely ignore the Prequels!” and so on.

    To this day, while I understand a lot of the criticism these three films have received, I’ve never understood the outright hatred of them. Their mere existence serves to dredge up a fairly ugly side of fandom every time they arise in conversation. I just end up shrugging and saying “Oh well”, all at the same time avoiding a lot of Star Wars discussion, because I just tire of saying the same things, over and over again.
     
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  21. Andy Wylde

    Andy Wylde Jedi Master star 4

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  22. grd4

    grd4 Jedi Master star 4

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    Qui-Riv-Bid: The Byzantium Shores fella is a bit peculiar, in that he includes the PT in his 50 favorite films list, yet proceeds to eviscerate all three of them via rewrites.

    I don't think I'd change a frame of my fifty favorite movies--that's why they're my favorites. They absorb and envelop me, without discernible imperfections. (I've never watched The Maltese Falcon and thought, "Gee, this Bogart/Lorre exchange is a bit on the dry side. I know what'll spice it up!")
     
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  23. NowTHISIsPodRacing

    NowTHISIsPodRacing Jedi Youngling star 1

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    This might have been mentioned already, so forgive me if it has, but Roger Ebert (legendary film critic) apparently gave TPM a 3/4 stars, with the only main complaint being simply that the characters aren't that compelling.

    And Qui-Riv-Bid, that quote is good. I really think the Prequels get way too much criticism than what is warranted. The reasoning used for them is stuff that could be levied towards the originals, and some are also not objective criticisms at all.
     
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  24. Cryogenic

    Cryogenic Force Ghost star 5

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    Oh, yes. I find that a bit strange and a little distasteful, as well.

    "I love this film, but I'd change this, and this, and this, and this, if I could!"

    It's somewhat like saying, "I love my girlfriend, but if this were different, and this, and this, and this, she'd be heaps better."

    Some love.
     
  25. Darth Zannah

    Darth Zannah Jedi Knight star 3

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    thanks for posting this...I always thought Kevin Smith was a total jerk and hated the prequels...guess I was wrong...
     
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